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Calling All AUM Experts!! Does anyone know of a way to automate AUM volume faders, panning, etc?

I would like to use something like Xequence to automate volume/panning an AUM channel that is playing a wav file (through midi CC the the volume fader, panning, etc.) Does anyone know if AUM has the ability to control a channel's volume/panning through CCs? @j_liljedahl Can this be done?

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  • edited January 2018

    Yes, in AUM’s MIDI Route grid, send the MIDI out to AUM’s MIDI Control on the right side. Then at the bottom of each channel you can select the name and then the slider icons and you can specify MIDI CC to automate panning/volume as well as control AU parameters for AU apps loaded on that channel as well.

  • I did some further searching, and it does in fact seem to be currently possible for volume automation (the most important thing to me), through channel automation. See: http://kymatica.com/aum/help.html#toc72

  • wimwim
    edited January 2018

    Definitely it can be done, and it's easy too. Just go to the midi control settings, find the channel you want to automate, and then every automatable control both for AUM and any plugins there will be shown. Click on any one and then "Learn". Settings are saved with the session.

  • @InfoCheck said:
    Yes, in AUM’s MIDI Route grid, send the MIDI out to AUM’s MIDI Control on the right side. Then at the bottom of each channel you can select the name and then the slider icons and you can specify MIDI CC to automate panning/volume as well as control AU parameters for AU apps loaded on that channel as well.

    Awesome!! I can see volume as an option, but how would I do panning AU app parameters?

  • wimwim
    edited February 2018

    Add a (built-in) stereo panning module and then you will see panning available. As you add your AU apps you should see any controls they expose show up there as well.

  • An AU may also have its own panning parameters exposed too, they’ll be under the channel controls too if they’re available in the app.

  • @wim said:
    Definitely it can be done, and it's easy too. Just go to the midi control settings, find the channel you want to automate, and then every automatable control both for AUM and any plugins there will be shown. Click on any one and then "Learn". Settings are saved with the session.

    So, let's say that I have 8 AUM channels with a wav file loaded into each. What CCs could I use to automate the volume for each channel (without affecting CCs being used for other things?) It's been a while so I can't remember--are there CCs that don't have specific assignments that are available that can be used? How many assignable midi CCs are available in the spec so that each track can have individualized control?

  • @wim said:
    Add a (built-in) stereo panning module and then you will see panning available. As you add your AU apps you should see any controls they expose show up there as well.

    Ahh!! That's probably why I wasn't seeing anything. I didn't have anything loaded in my channel!

  • edited February 2018

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @wim said:
    Definitely it can be done, and it's easy too. Just go to the midi control settings, find the channel you want to automate, and then every automatable control both for AUM and any plugins there will be shown. Click on any one and then "Learn". Settings are saved with the session.

    So, let's say that I have 8 AUM channels with a wav file loaded into each. What CCs could I use to automate the volume for each channel (without affecting CCs being used for other things?) It's been a while so I can't remember--are there CCs that don't have specific assignments that are available that can be used? How many assignable midi CCs are available in the spec so that each track can have individualized control?

    You can specify whatever CC you want, but AUM does have a default setup for each channel. You enter a CC and the MIDI channel. CC 7 is traditionally used for volume. A google search of MIDI CC will yield tables with the typical assignments for CC and parameters.

  • WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

  • @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2018

    There are 128 midi cc's available total x 16 channels .... so a lot. Each AUM channel has it's own freely and individually assignable midi cc's, so you shouldn't have any big issues. I like to dedicate midi channel 16 to more global control like faders and pan, but that's up to you. You can easily google tables of commonly used and "undefined" midi cc's. But really, unless some other plugin is using that cc/channel combination and unless you have AUM routing to it, you're not going to have to worry about that.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

    Or even (a)busing...

  • @wim said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

    Or even (a)busing...

    Yes, I’ll load AUM up to see how many apps, routings, and MIDI connections it can handle before it starts to crackle due to CPU overload.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

    Definitely!! Thanks!!

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @wim said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

    Or even (a)busing...

    Yes, I’ll load AUM up to see how many apps, routings, and MIDI connections it can handle before it starts to crackle due to CPU overload.

    Yes! Please post your results!! Try for 8 tracks of audio, some effects, and some instruments. :smiley:

  • Still wishing for a CC control to bypass nodes/inserts, ya know, sliding it over to half-eject status. That would be killer for use with my foot pedal while playing guitar.

  • This is so awesome to be able to route Drumperfect Pro separate Audio Channel for each drum Inst thus allowing AU effects per each, wow!

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @wim said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    WOW!! Along with an app like Xequence, AUM can be a complete DAW!!!

    Explore busing too if you haven’t already.

    Or even (a)busing...

    Yes, I’ll load AUM up to see how many apps, routings, and MIDI connections it can handle before it starts to crackle due to CPU overload.

    Yes! Please post your results!! Try for 8 tracks of audio, some effects, and some instruments. :smiley:

  • edited February 2018

    @soundshaper said:
    Still wishing for a CC control to bypass nodes/inserts, ya know, sliding it over to half-eject status. That would be killer for use with my foot pedal while playing guitar.

    Couldn’t you use two channels and muting to accomplish the exact same thing? I think muting is one of those items that is controlled by cc .

  • edited February 2018

    Ok guys, I need some help. Tonight, after work, I came home and tried to set this up. I put a wave file into a channel and set Xequence up to control the fader. The fader worked great, but the wave file won’t start at the same time I start the Xequence transport. It just sits there until I manually start it from AUM. If I have several wave file tracks or channels, and several instruments playing, I’m going to be wanting them all working at the same time in sync-automatically. I’m not going to want to have to manually start each wave track and try to have it start at the same time as Xequence. So my big question is, how do I set everything up so that everything starts at exactly the same time when I press the play button in Xequence. That includes both wave files with their automation, AU/midi instruments, and any other automation. I can’t see how it is done. Thanks in advance!! :smile:


  • AUM should be set to play, then you should map the play toggles to notes

  • I don’t have xequence, but I would try loading it into AUM as well and see if it can start when I press play in AUM. Then AUM would start everything together.

  • Good ideas guys! I’ll try them and see how things go. Otherwise I’ll have to wait for the start/stop transport controls of Ableton LINK 3.0 :-/

  • @CracklePot said:
    I don’t have xequence, but I would try loading it into AUM as well and see if it can start when I press play in AUM. Then AUM would start everything together.

    Unfortunately will not be able to control Xequence- it will sync via Link but does not send midi start/stop..>

    @Audiojunkie said:

    Ok guys, I need some help. Tonight, after work, I came home and tried to set this up. I put a wave file into a channel and set Xequence up to control the fader. The fader worked great, but the wave file won’t start at the same time I start the Xequence transport. It just sits there until I manually start it from AUM. If I have several wave file tracks or channels, and several instruments playing, I’m going to be wanting them all working at the same time in sync-automatically. I’m not going to want to have to manually start each wave track and try to have it start at the same time as Xequence. So my big question is, how do I set everything up so that everything starts at exactly the same time when I press the play button in Xequence. That includes both wave files with their automation, AU/midi instruments, and any other automation. I can’t see how it is done. Thanks in advance!! :smile:

    I use Xequence to control AUM and it works OK if you allow for a bar offset with your midi tracks in Xequence. In other word place your midi control note that triggers Start in AUM at the beginning of the control track (beginning of bar 1). AUM will not actually start playing till the 2nd bar (I think it is something to do with AUM waiting till the start of the next sync quantum). So if you place any midi tracks in Xequence that you want to start at the beginning and in sync with AUM at bar 2 every thing should be fine. In other words all midi tracks are offset forward by a bar.

  • @ageezz said:

    @CracklePot said:
    I don’t have xequence, but I would try loading it into AUM as well and see if it can start when I press play in AUM. Then AUM would start everything together.

    Unfortunately will not be able to control Xequence- it will sync via Link but does not send midi start/stop..>

    @Audiojunkie said:

    Ok guys, I need some help. Tonight, after work, I came home and tried to set this up. I put a wave file into a channel and set Xequence up to control the fader. The fader worked great, but the wave file won’t start at the same time I start the Xequence transport. It just sits there until I manually start it from AUM. If I have several wave file tracks or channels, and several instruments playing, I’m going to be wanting them all working at the same time in sync-automatically. I’m not going to want to have to manually start each wave track and try to have it start at the same time as Xequence. So my big question is, how do I set everything up so that everything starts at exactly the same time when I press the play button in Xequence. That includes both wave files with their automation, AU/midi instruments, and any other automation. I can’t see how it is done. Thanks in advance!! :smile:

    I use Xequence to control AUM and it works OK if you allow for a bar offset with your midi tracks in Xequence. In other word place your midi control note that triggers Start in AUM at the beginning of the control track (beginning of bar 1). AUM will not actually start playing till the 2nd bar (I think it is something to do with AUM waiting till the start of the next sync quantum). So if you place any midi tracks in Xequence that you want to start at the beginning and in sync with AUM at bar 2 every thing should be fine. In other words all midi tracks are offset forward by a bar.

    Good tip thanks. Bookmarking this post.

  • @ageezz said:

    @CracklePot said:
    I don’t have xequence, but I would try loading it into AUM as well and see if it can start when I press play in AUM. Then AUM would start everything together.

    Unfortunately will not be able to control Xequence- it will sync via Link but does not send midi start/stop..>

    @Audiojunkie said:

    Ok guys, I need some help. Tonight, after work, I came home and tried to set this up. I put a wave file into a channel and set Xequence up to control the fader. The fader worked great, but the wave file won’t start at the same time I start the Xequence transport. It just sits there until I manually start it from AUM. If I have several wave file tracks or channels, and several instruments playing, I’m going to be wanting them all working at the same time in sync-automatically. I’m not going to want to have to manually start each wave track and try to have it start at the same time as Xequence. So my big question is, how do I set everything up so that everything starts at exactly the same time when I press the play button in Xequence. That includes both wave files with their automation, AU/midi instruments, and any other automation. I can’t see how it is done. Thanks in advance!! :smile:

    I use Xequence to control AUM and it works OK if you allow for a bar offset with your midi tracks in Xequence. In other word place your midi control note that triggers Start in AUM at the beginning of the control track (beginning of bar 1). AUM will not actually start playing till the 2nd bar (I think it is something to do with AUM waiting till the start of the next sync quantum). So if you place any midi tracks in Xequence that you want to start at the beginning and in sync with AUM at bar 2 every thing should be fine. In other words all midi tracks are offset forward by a bar.

    Cool! Thanks! I hope Ableton Link’s 3.0 version with its transport controls simplifies things.

  • @ageezz said:

    @CracklePot said:
    I don’t have xequence, but I would try loading it into AUM as well and see if it can start when I press play in AUM. Then AUM would start everything together.

    Unfortunately will not be able to control Xequence- it will sync via Link but does not send midi start/stop..>

    @Audiojunkie said:

    Ok guys, I need some help. Tonight, after work, I came home and tried to set this up. I put a wave file into a channel and set Xequence up to control the fader. The fader worked great, but the wave file won’t start at the same time I start the Xequence transport. It just sits there until I manually start it from AUM. If I have several wave file tracks or channels, and several instruments playing, I’m going to be wanting them all working at the same time in sync-automatically. I’m not going to want to have to manually start each wave track and try to have it start at the same time as Xequence. So my big question is, how do I set everything up so that everything starts at exactly the same time when I press the play button in Xequence. That includes both wave files with their automation, AU/midi instruments, and any other automation. I can’t see how it is done. Thanks in advance!! :smile:

    I use Xequence to control AUM and it works OK if you allow for a bar offset with your midi tracks in Xequence. In other word place your midi control note that triggers Start in AUM at the beginning of the control track (beginning of bar 1). AUM will not actually start playing till the 2nd bar (I think it is something to do with AUM waiting till the start of the next sync quantum). So if you place any midi tracks in Xequence that you want to start at the beginning and in sync with AUM at bar 2 every thing should be fine. In other words all midi tracks are offset forward by a bar.

    Nice! Thanks for the highly informative information. I am sure this will save me a lot of time and frustration in future endeavors. :)

  • @soundshaper said:
    Still wishing for a CC control to bypass nodes/inserts, ya know, sliding it over to half-eject status. That would be killer for use with my foot pedal while playing guitar.

    Slightly off-topic, but what foot MIDI controller are you using with your iPad? I'm also a guitarist trying to easily trigger sounds on my iPad during gigs. Thanks!

  • @Lt_Core said:

    @soundshaper said:
    Still wishing for a CC control to bypass nodes/inserts, ya know, sliding it over to half-eject status. That would be killer for use with my foot pedal while playing guitar.

    Slightly off-topic, but what foot MIDI controller are you using with your iPad? I'm also a guitarist trying to easily trigger sounds on my iPad during gigs. Thanks!

    I have a Roland FC-200. The thing I like about it is all the extra inputs for more expression pedals. It’s fairly programmable and is a nice solid build and size. However, I’d really like a Line 6 FBV. You may want to check those out.

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