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AU Synths: Zeeon vs Syntronik
For the past 6 months or so I’ve been pouring a lot of time into reading about and researching mixing, production, hardware, software, etc. Recently I began the deep dive into synthesis and finally am beginning to understand the fundamentals of synthesizers. I’m now making the final additions to my basic iOS production app repertoire and am interested in one powerhouse AU synth app to commit to for the near future. I love the old analog polyphonic synths with great pad sounds like the Juno 60, Jupiter 8, and 70s/80s oberheims.
Can anyone who uses zeeon vouge for its capability to synthesize some of these sounds? It’s labelled as an analog modeling synth and I know how customizable it is so I’m curious how it compares to some of the classics.
Part of me wants to spring for the Juno and/or Jupiter IAPs in Syntronik now that they added AU support because ill be less distracted by patch programming and more likely to get work done. My peaked interest in the true synthesis I’d get from zeeon, however, has me torn.
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Zeeon is easily one of the top three best-sounding synths in ios. But ios apps are so cheap, get both.
Unfortunately I’m on a depressingly small budget at the moment
On the other hand, a big part of me subscribes to the notion that most of the time less is more
Get Zeeon and force yourself to program it like those synths. Won’t even matter if you get it right. In the meantime start saving for the IAPs in Syntronik in case you’re not satisfied with the results.
Go with Zeeon. It has a Juno type of preset inside of it but I’m sure you can create those sounds with it as well
@JakotaDohnson
I use them both. But if you don’t have Model 15, buy that first. That’s the no 1 ,killer synth app.
I case of the two you mentioned, it’s a question of how much you want to program. In Syntronik you get a laid table. Zeeon is excellent, but you need an IPad Pro to get you anywhere serious. ISEM is also a nice AU.
I planned on snagging Model 15 next time Korg has a sale.
Could you elaborate on your zeeon iPad Pro comment?
Model 15 is from moog. Not that you won’t be able to buy it when korg goes on sale but I don’t think it will really matter:)
Zeeon is a resources hog so the more power you have the better it is.
on an Air-2 a single channel with Zeeon may easily peak at 50% DSP use with a 5-voice poly chord.
As a general hint don't use such synths with (too) many voices, in particular if chorus/delay/reverb is applied, too. Focus on single, outstanding voices - that's what it does best. Otherwise (with all the wash n' blur you can't tell anyway what's playing).
I would have imagined both Syntronik and Model 15 would use more CPU than Zeeon (of which I’ve managed 4 AU instances on an iPhone SE without too much trouble).
Zeeon would be my pick, it’s not only the cheapest of the 3 mentioned (if you’re in a tight budget) but sounds so lush, it’s great at pad sounds! I think that @brice is also working on a vintage analog themed soundbank which will hopefully be released soon. There are a few good presets already there to get you started.
Isem and Zeeon are both great. Isem got some very nice presets included (love them pad's). Zeeon is a joy to create your own presets. On my air2 I can run 2/3 instances at the same time before I need to bounce tracks.
It’s always a difficult question when asked to give opinions between certain synths. It’s not just the sound that counts - it’s the feel!
Let me explain my point of view: To myself, to really enjoy a synth it must have a way of interaction via its interface that allows a connection. As in sound, this is purely subjective and personal bias will come into play. For example, Model15 sounds great stand alone imo, but I dislike programming it - the interface on my Air2 leaves me cold (I could see it may be better on a larger iPad).
You would have thought that with the above in mind, Zeeon would be my choice, but I have failed to connect with that too (although admittedly better than Model15).
Syntronik on the other hand fits me just fine and I neither care that it’s part ‘rompler’, nor that it’s best sounds are often multis that I make with it. I however have all the synth packs and to myself that’s where it’s strength of variety lies.
So, on a budget I would go for Zeeon. If another great deal comes along I would buy get Syntronik. Although I have them all, personally I can’t recommend Model15 as it just does not connect with myself - you may find it’s the one.
I suppose that’s the whole problem with opinions, they are biased by so many individual factors that may or may not apply to another. There’s not one synth mentioned here that can’t make great pad sounds for a mix. Shame there is no way to try one of them first?
Zeeon over syntronik. Synthesized over sampled every time. Plus zeeon is a monster. I'm still being blown away by it
I vote for Zeeon and Poison-202. Syntronik (or any sample-based instrument) takes up storage I’d rather use for something else.
Last I tried Syntronik AU it failed every single bounce test in GB. Zeeon wins for me.
Zeeon is pretty sweet but there's something about it's UI that makes me prefer to play more with Poison-202 even though it's not as fully featured as Zeeon...
The effects, arpeggiator and layering options are pretty neat in Syntronik and it would be a bit more awesome if it allowed the use of user samples
Syntronik is like a recording of a great synth but it's not a real synth. Its cool but if you're serious I'd avoid taking up all the storage for a sample instrument and get zeeon
From these both Zeeon since it´s a full editable synth with modulations at audio rate (like analog synths from the good old days).
Otherwise synths with juicy analog/vintage power i like are Model 15 (totally different flavor compared to Zeeon) and DRC. I also like TF8 a lot since it has the best FX included from the synths in general.
Each of them has pro and contra.
For analog flavor on iOS i prefer Zeeon and Model 15 for bass and brass, Model 15 for leads, TF8 for strings and pads and DRC for interesting dirty and saturated stuff.
At the end i layer synths anyway, especially for pads.
There are also other good synths like iSem and a lot others.
Back to your topic....Zeeon would be my choice here (which doesn´t mean that it would be the better choice for you).
I just can recommend to watch some videos and choose the one you think will fit more your flavor and workflow.
You know how sometimes you feel so strongly about something that you wish it was accepted fact instead of just your measly opinion? Zeeon is one of those things for me. Best iOS synth (Model 15 would have an argument if it weren’t for all the damn wires).
Zeeon can approximate a Juno and an Oberheim pretty damn well. Although nothing beats the Oberheim filter, the Zeeon filters are excellent themselves. Not to mention Zeeon has the best analog modeling I’ve ever heard with its vintage oscillators function.
I caved in and bought the OBX presets for Syntronik. They sound great for a sample player, but it’s not like having and programming a true synth.
Zeeon is superb but can´t do all flavors (like the Moog ones) well. The filters are really great, indeed my favorite on iOS as well (but yeah...still not on par with the kings of analog modeling
). I do wish Zeeon would include the Dagger Brute 12 filter which is my favorite from Beepstreet 
What i miss is better FX in general. Model 15 has a super delay which you can modulate also at audio rate.
The chorus and phaser in Zeeon are good. The delay is O.K. but the reverb is really not good and i mostly turn it off now and replace it. Of course most old analog synths came without FX but they also gone trough external FX and saturation stages before they gone into the mix. Good FX today are a part of the sound for me and i like FX i can modulate.
Zeeon gets so much praise for a reason! I would also highly recommend it if you want to get involved in making your own patches and like to modulate things.
If you prefer finding presets that work and don't need to tweak them much, then Syntronik might be the better option for you..
If you are mainly after those vintage Roland sounds you mentioned, just get the Syntronik presets and get back to making music. If you want to learn synth patch creation but are kind of new to this area, maybe check out the free version of Syntorial for a while. Also check your DAW, as they usually have some built-in synths you can use to learn basic synth programming, and save some money.
Obviously Syntronik is not as editable as Zeeon, but it does have a pretty good range of sounds that have more range in editing then first appearance may suggest. I use it in BM3 often. Not really pushed it to see how many instances, as I usually use a couple of multi patches for those more complex sounds. For simpler or more raw sounds (less reliant on fx), Zeeon or others are my go to.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to sell you on Syntronik, but I was surprised how much it can do for what is essentially a ‘sample + synthesis’ synth.
Zeeon bro. Ultimate Synth!
Save later for Syntronik.
Thanks for the input everyone! I decided to go with Zeeon based on the overwhelming response. I also found the preset packs by users on the forum so hopefully I can get close to the sounds I’m looking for early on.
While I was at it I snagged Bark filter (AU spectrum analyzer, praise Jesus) as well as AudioDamages Eos 2 and Dubstation 2 effects! Time to get weird
If you are serious, you’ll probably have more than enough space for Syntronik
Stop making silly rules. If it sounds great and it suits you, use it.
No one cares if it is part rompler when they buy your records and go wild for an autograph