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Grand Finale vs Final Touch
I‘d be very interested to hear what people think how the two compare.
I have Final Touch and wonder what Grand Finale would add to what I have.
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Grand Finale. I haven’t opened Final Touch in years after getting it when it was $3. You may say then how can you compare? And I counter with there’s a reason I haven’t opened it in years.
There are several aspects of Grand Finale that I love and a big one is UI clarity of what's going on: the module-style layout makes the processing more tangible (to me). It might not be everyone's preference but I've found (for example) that the low cut at 35hz to be a more/less perfect sweet spot for losing invisible low end which is taking up precious headroom. Low cut is by no means exclusive to Grand Finale but it's a case where I really like that part of the equation Decided. Adjustments for the other parameters are super effective and the choices though limited are dead smart.
Grand Finale also just Sounds fantastic. Between iOS and my desktop I own tons of Mastering apps / plugins and though they all share similarities they're also distinctly different and after using Grand Finale it's my go-to in the master chain.
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I can tell you I thought the exact same thing until i got Grand Finale and then it all made sense
Never really used that stuff, not that I don’t know how, but I guess I just made stuff sound right in other ways. Those are contained in GF but understand that you don’t have access to the attack and release on the compressors and other fine tune controls. Like the multiband compressor is just 4 knobs, 1 for each band and there’s different types to choose from on the modules that govern how they behave, so while things are simplified, there are more than enough variables to experiment with in different combinations to get a variety of sounds.
Basically the app feels like programming a synth really, there’s a clear signal path, just the controls you need, and it’s easy to bounce around and tweak things in a fun manner.
I really like that I don’t have to mess around with super fine tune controls and instead just nail the right combo of stuff that’s calibrated to at least put you in the ballpark. I will say though that thankfully there do seem to be quite a few sweet spots on the knobs, you can go very subtle if you want.
So the description says sampling rate is preserved but what if I mixed at 48khz and wanted to do the mix down to 44.1khz for cd is that not available?
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thanks! I have a better feel for Grand Finale now. still not 100 % sure whether to get it or not but I might while it is on sale
The problem with Grand Finale is it doesn't have a gain matching A-B setting so just switching the processor off means you will go from hearing the probably much louder mastered version to a 'meh!' quieter version.. this is not a good way to master anything as you are not actually able to hear what good ( or bad ) you have really done to your track, the mastering will nearly always sound better though you may not have improved things at all.
afaik final touch or Audio Mastering apps don't have this either.
Izotope has it.. and its essential if you seriously want to release yr music into the wild.
I can't think of a good workaround for this problem.
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Those are astonishingly good, with tonnes of presets. More expensive than Grand Finale by a long way, but worth it.
I’m still hoping someone can do a direct comparison between FF and GF. I’d expect GF to be second, but it’s like comparing a Ferrari and a BMW. Both are great, but the Ferrari is superior engineering. That said, there are many reasons or situations when the BMW is what you want.
unfortunately, Izotope is windows.. ( maybe mac?? don’t know ) ,, be good if they made an ios version,,, but not if it was their most basic version I suspect..
Annoyingly Rej the man behind Caustic made a really good simplified mastering app and beta-ed it but he never got it to ios version and abandoned it because of his circumstances. If Klevgrand ( @sundhage are you there ) put in a gain match feature I would probably consider Grand Finale for quick n easy spit n shine despite the restricted parameters, especially on the eq.
i have both final touch and Audio Mastering, probably I favour Audio Mastering mainly because the visualizations are slightly more helpful to me personally. But for a proper release I still have to get the Surface Pro out and do the Izotope thing..
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So are you discounting Fab Filters as not serious?
I presumed we are talking about mastering apps. I don't have any Fab Filters available to me .. but if you were going the route of building your own mastering chain in a DAW there are, it seems, plenty of apps you could do the same with in Cubasis or somesuch and get a fine and dandy 'result' ( though the multiband compressor bit might be missing so auria would win there if you spent some cash on the Ff things. wait! no, Klevgrand have that Pressit multiband so ciuld be ok there. )
you could probably also add a parallel track with the same audio 'gain matched' to A/B , which would be helpful..
but the thread says GF vs FT, so I just wanted to pitch in with my limited personal experience with all in one apps/programs and what I find useful. Gain Matching seems key to me , otherwise your just playing the loudness game and thats all subjective once you get to the customers playback scenario, so its a zero sum outcome.
The stereo imager is very nice and the limiter also does a great job to boost your songs volume. I'm a totally noob in mastering but I like final touch a lot because if the many noob friendly useable presets you can select.
I'm a total noob when it comes to mastering and found FT great, because it was simpler (prettier) than Audio Mastering (which I also have) and had some great presets as starting ground.
However GF is even better if you (like me) don't know what you are doing and are "feeling" your way around - it sounds really great and is extremely easy to understand.
Also FT has often crashed on my, I'm more confident about quality of the programming that KlevGrand delivers - they have a good track record when it comes to software and updates.
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Oh, fair enough, Rocky. Maybe one day you will be able to try them. I know that when I took the plunge, it was like a whole new level. Meanwhile, for working in apps other than Auria, this KlevGrand offering seems like a great start.
FWIW, Peter, the Fab Filters plug-ins (which only work under Auria Pro for IOS) are very good for music makers like you, and me, who aren’t trained sound engineers. Each filter comes with a massive range of expert made presets, so making a start is pretty easy.
If you want to take a look, there are some great videos on YouTube for -
Pro-L
Pro-MB
Pro-Q2
Then there are the effects FF such as
Timeless 2
Saturn
Volcano
Pro-R
You could just alter the output level in GF so the processed audio has the same output level as the original audio (when bypassed, input / output gain knobs are bypassed as well). This happens before the limiter though so when the output is cranked up again the limiter probably will start working, but all other processors will work exactly the same.
-If you’re a complete noob to mastering, you’ll want Grand Finale.
-If you can’t be arsed to master your tracks but also distrust mastering houses given they usually make your track sound like disappointing overcompressed distorted shite, you’ll want Grand Finale.
-If you use an iPhone as part of your production process and hate having to bounce to an iPad to do a quick master to see if your mix will be good, you’ll want Grand Finale.
-If you need an LUFS metre on your iPad, you’ll want Grand Finale.
-If you want to master an entire album, you’ll want an iPad, Auria, Fab Filter plugins (at the barebones minimum Pro-Q and Pro-L), and spending some time learning how to master your tracks. Or if you want a universal AU alternative, you’ll want AUM (host), 6144 (balance), FuxEQ (surgery), FAC Transient (the shape of music), NY Compressor (parallel compression done right, use in Soft Knee mode), and FAC Maxima (Pro-L Jr).
-If you’re like me and have a wicked difficult time trying to coax any sort of good sound out of Final Touch without a ton of hair pulling, you’ll want Grand Finale, Fab Filter, the plugins I just mentioned, or anything else really.
Of course, Grand Finale is a bit limited in what it can do (you won’t find actual tweakable Thresholds and Ratios for your compressors nor Peak EQ bands here), but it does what it does EXTREMELY WELL! It’s damn near impossible to make Grand Finale sound bad, even when squeezing the daylights out of something which results in a pleasant overcompression like on Justice’s “Cross” album. Did I mention that LUFS metre?
I’ll take my chances. There are other ways to double check stuff after all
thanks johan, I get what you are saying .. but it doesn't seem an entirely satisfactory workaround? does that mean you are unlikely to code in a simpler way to help people gain match?
Final Touch is full of bugs, keep crashing and there is also the bug that was introduced I think in iOS 10 where the output to the internal speakers is low, I reported this 2 years ago and to date no fix.
Very useful review!! Thank you much!!
Imagine Limiter from Amazing Noises was Grand Finale. Grand Finale needs to become IAA-compatible. Get on it @sundhage
My pleasure.
I own Final Touch and have demoed Grand Finale on my PC (I suppose the iOS version sounds just the same).
I can say that they are both excellent apps that can make your tracks sound better and more polished.
I see the difference mainly in the approach - Final Touch gives you more control over it's modules while Grand Finale has a simpler one-screen interface.
While Final Touch has two EQs and a mastering reverb, Grand Finale has two compressors and a parallel section.
Final Touch has a dithering section while Grand Finale has LUFS metering.
I don't see a clear winner here. They are both doing the same job, but in a different way.