Zeeon

BillS

As an aside, I bought these presets from Sam Izrael today - well over 200, and just great quality. Absolute bargain:

https://soundofizrael.gumroad.com/?_ga=2.235322305.1978210782.1661812743-884518717.1617974982&_gl=1*1d7fa4f*_ga*ODg0NTE4NzE3LjE2MTc5NzQ5ODI.*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTY2MTgxMjc0NC41Mi4xLjE2NjE4MTI3NTAuMC4wLjA

Crabman

Today was day of the Zeeon after a long time not using this but while editing a preset an absolutely HORRIBLE noise/feedback (more like a cry from a horde of demons!!! 🫣😳) occured, out of nowhere. This was extremely dangerous (for my ears), i had just luck that i was using the ipad speaker and not headphones. Seriously, i‘m still shocked and shaking a little 😅 It seems in relation with the reverb, it went away when switching off reverb and i could reproduce it but even one tick on the volume button was too loud and i quickly did shut it down again.

Something like this happened only ONE time before on ipad, in 13 years. With Eon Reverb, but that was much quiter. I deleted it right away. But i feel new love for Zeeon i don‘t want to kick it.

Anyone here betatesting for BS? @Gravitas i saw some posts from you in the BS/Drambo forum (i guess) and it sounded like you do betatest for drambo?

Are they checking their mail etc if i send them the patch? I don‘t want to have another account in a forum i don‘t use.

ipad OS 18.2.1 on M1 pro. Standalone and no other apps running (well. besides internet shit)

I wanted to export a bank with a single file now and stumbled over the next bug. Bank export not working here, tried ipad/synth restart etc… nothing. I can‘t push the“save“ button nor chosing different location in the files app 🫠

Tested with another synth app , all good. So, it‘s not my ipad…

If someone is bored or tired and needs an adrenaline kick, It was this preset and it didn‘t take long til hell broke lose (i played some notes from the seq and started to edit the reverb) 😁

rs2000

@Crabman Could you please send the preset and a few hints about how to reproduce the issue to "info@..." so @giku_beepstreet can have a look?
Thanks!

negativeone

Did you have any effects applied to it? Some delay plugins can do this. I’ve gotten outrageously loud screeching out of one of the Imaginado delays at least twice now.

It could be anything that involves feedback. I’ve created some unbelievably loud screeches when trying to program a filter from scratch, since the resonance on a filter involves feedback.

Consider slapping a compressor/limiter on your master bus to reduce the damage that a sudden volume spike can do.

Crabman

@negativeone said:
Did you have any effects applied to it? Some delay plugins can do this. I’ve gotten outrageously loud screeching out of one of the Imaginado delays at least twice now.

It could be anything that involves feedback. I’ve created some unbelievably loud screeches when trying to program a filter from scratch, since the resonance on a filter involves feedback.

Consider slapping a compressor/limiter on your master bus to reduce the damage that a sudden volume spike can do.

It happened standalone, no other apps or fx involved. Only the internal fx. And really nothing special, my screenshot reflects exactly the last state when the shit hit the fan.

@rs2000 thanks for the mail, will do. I managed to export the bank with the doomsday file from the AUv3.

NeuM

It would be prudent for more app developers in the synth and effect space to include a limiter on their stuff and I'd like to personally implore all developers to please consider doing this for the sake of the hearing of your customers.

I was having incredible feedback problems on both iPad Pro and desktop for a while a couple of years back. The culprits seemed to be IK Multimedia's MixBox CS for a while, and then some different effects were generating absolutely earsplitting feedback which would then cause the audio of the device to completely shut down until restart. Thankfully I have not experienced this in a long time now and I never received satisfactory answers as to why it happened. One day it just stopped.

rs2000

@NeuM said:
It would be prudent for more app developers in the synth and effect space to include a limiter on their stuff and I'd like to personally implore all developers to please consider doing this for the sake of the hearing of your customers.

I was having incredible feedback problems on both iPad Pro and desktop for a while a couple of years back. The culprits seemed to be IK Multimedia's MixBox CS for a while, and then some different effects were generating absolutely earsplitting feedback which would then cause the audio of the device to completely shut down until restart. Thankfully I have not experienced this in a long time now and I never received satisfactory answers as to why it happened. One day it just stopped.

Good idea but that will add some latency which is usually not desirable when playing live, and it won't necessarily help if something goes wrong on the audio buffer processing thread.
One thing you could do is to work with hot audio levels in the plugin so the nasty noises won't be so much louder than the intentional sounds, if such should ever happen again.

negativeone

@rs2000
Good idea but that will add some latency which is usually not desirable when playing live, and it won't necessarily help if something goes wrong on the audio buffer processing thread.

True. A clipper is probably a better choice to avoid latency. It will just cut the waveform off if it tries to go above a certain point, so it doesn’t need to look at anything aside from the current sample to figure out what to do. I’m pretty sure Drambo has a clamp node that will do this.

Crabman

Ím very picky about latency, but it shouldńt be a big deal here. It doesńt have to be the fastest or cleanest limiter on earth. In any case such thing would be way faster than i was yesterday 😄

Í´m more annoyed about the latency in many hardware synths or - worse - grooveboxes these days. I had mpc one, Maschine + and currently Ableton move (which has a fixed limiter on the master). They all had some latency. Minicomputer…Akai was the baddest one, move the best in this regard. playing this toys was never a problem though. But when you desperately try to midi sync to other gear…

Even the first round of rolands boutique line had 15ms latency via standard midi. And that was the reason why i sold the juno.

cyberheater

Have said it before. I would buy a hardware version of this. Lovely analogue sounding synth.

yellow_eyez

I love Zeeon

[It was the first synth I might’ve bought I think.]

Zeeon is incredible and you add + dRambo to the resume = already impressive + the amazing incomparable Combustor+ etc = Beepstreet is maybe the most awesome indie dev *

W/e the case Beepstreet rules!

*<unless you consider Klevgrand indie[?]}

NeuM

@yellow_eyez said:
I love Zeeon

[It was the first synth I might’ve bought I think.]

Zeeon is incredible and you add + dRambo to the resume = already impressive + the amazing incomparable Combustor+ etc = Beepstreet is maybe the most awesome indie dev *

W/e the case Beepstreet rules!

*<unless you consider Klevgrand indie[?]}

Actually, other than Moog and Korg (maybe a few others) I think nearly all of the synth and effect devs are indies. I consider one-person and small businesses as indies.

yellow_eyez

@NeuM said:

@yellow_eyez said:
I love Zeeon

[It was the first synth I might’ve bought I think.]

Zeeon is incredible and you add + dRambo to the resume = already impressive + the amazing incomparable Combustor+ etc = Beepstreet is maybe the most awesome indie dev *

W/e the case Beepstreet rules!

*<unless you consider Klevgrand indie[?]}

Actually, other than Moog and Korg (maybe a few others) I think nearly all of the synth and effect devs are indies. I consider one-person and small businesses as indies.

For sure 1 person is; small business can be too if the business is really small (I mean it varies widely but I agree with you, any team under 10, heck I’ll even say under 25 because you have the non coding roles for running a business that engineers shouldn’t have to deal with)

To your point that means 90%+ of iOS is indie then huh ? Or even higher ? I wonder how we would ever find out for curiosity sake - (you consider Roland small NeuM?)

I wonder how you find out how many people TE employed to see if they are truly small company

odd that I use korg Roland and Yamaha hardware but none of their software …

wim

@yellow_eyez said:

@NeuM said:

@yellow_eyez said:
I love Zeeon

[It was the first synth I might’ve bought I think.]

Zeeon is incredible and you add + dRambo to the resume = already impressive + the amazing incomparable Combustor+ etc = Beepstreet is maybe the most awesome indie dev *

W/e the case Beepstreet rules!

*<unless you consider Klevgrand indie[?]}

Actually, other than Moog and Korg (maybe a few others) I think nearly all of the synth and effect devs are indies. I consider one-person and small businesses as indies.

For sure 1 person is; small business can be too if the business is really small (I mean it varies widely but I agree with you, any team under 10, heck I’ll even say under 25 because you have the non coding roles for running a business that engineers shouldn’t have to deal with)

To your point that means 90%+ of iOS is indie then huh ? Or even higher ? I wonder how we would ever find out for curiosity sake - (you consider Roland small NeuM?)

I wonder how you find out how many people TE employed to see if they are truly small company

odd that I use korg Roland and Yamaha hardware but none of their software …

Number of people employed has little to do with number of developers. Number of developers total has little to do with how many work on iOS projects. Using Steinberg as an example, I'm pretty sure that I've read that the Cubasis team is five people or less. Image-Line (FL Studio, FL Studio Mobile) - two or three. Moog, I'm guessing, is at most a few people for mobile.

I think it's safe to assume that more like 99.9% of iOS music apps have less than five programmers. Most only one. A very few two. I doubt even 1% have any other employees than the one developer. The App Store drastically reduces the required business footprint to the point that managing the business is doable by one person.

I've no way to prove my numbers, but I bet I'm right.

yellow_eyez

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:

@NeuM said:

@yellow_eyez said:
I love Zeeon

[It was the first synth I might’ve bought I think.]

Zeeon is incredible and you add + dRambo to the resume = already impressive + the amazing incomparable Combustor+ etc = Beepstreet is maybe the most awesome indie dev *

W/e the case Beepstreet rules!

*<unless you consider Klevgrand indie[?]}

Actually, other than Moog and Korg (maybe a few others) I think nearly all of the synth and effect devs are indies. I consider one-person and small businesses as indies.

For sure 1 person is; small business can be too if the business is really small (I mean it varies widely but I agree with you, any team under 10, heck I’ll even say under 25 because you have the non coding roles for running a business that engineers shouldn’t have to deal with)

To your point that means 90%+ of iOS is indie then huh ? Or even higher ? I wonder how we would ever find out for curiosity sake - (you consider Roland small NeuM?)

I wonder how you find out how many people TE employed to see if they are truly small company

odd that I use korg Roland and Yamaha hardware but none of their software …

Number of people employed has little to do with number of developers. Number of developers total has little to do with how many work on iOS projects. Using Steinberg as an example, I'm pretty sure that I've read that the Cubasis team is five people or less. Image-Line (FL Studio, FL Studio Mobile) - two or three. Moog, I'm guessing, is at most a few people for mobile.

I think it's safe to assume that more like 99.9% of iOS music apps have less than five programmers. Most only one. A very few two. I doubt even 1% have any other employees than the one developer. The App Store drastically reduces the required business footprint to the point that managing the business is doable by one person.

I've no way to prove my numbers, but I bet I'm right.

You are rarely wrong indeed…I love that casual confident conclusion haha

Thanks

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
You are rarely wrong indeed…I love that casual confident conclusion haha

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

yellow_eyez

hahaha On a roll today bro

Crabman

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
You are rarely wrong indeed…I love that casual confident conclusion haha

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

😂

Gravitas

@Crabman

"Anyone here betatesting for BS? @Gravitas i saw some posts from you in the BS/Drambo forum (i guess) and it sounded like you do betatest for drambo?"

I indeed do beta testing for dRambo however I don't have Zeeon yet.
Regardless I see your questions have been answered.

oscillotus

Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

ecou

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Many synths have keyboard in their standalone versions but not in the Auv3. They expect you to use the host / DAW keyboard. Others have keyboard in both stand alone and AUV3.

oscillotus

@ecou said:

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Many synths have keyboard in their standalone versions but not in the Auv3. They expect you to use the host / DAW keyboard. Others have keyboard in both stand alone and AUV3.

Thanks for the reply! What parameter I should look for if I want to assign a knob to the modwheel in, for example, AUM?

ecou

@oscillotus said:

@ecou said:

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Many synths have keyboard in their standalone versions but not in the Auv3. They expect you to use the host / DAW keyboard. Others have keyboard in both stand alone and AUV3.

Thanks for the reply! What parameter I should look for if I want to assign a knob to the modwheel in, for example, AUM?

I do not own AUM so I can’t really help with that. If AUM does not have a built in midi keyboard you might wanna look at KB-1 by Numerical Audio. It is a very useful tool to have.

oscillotus

@ecou said:

@oscillotus said:

@ecou said:

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Many synths have keyboard in their standalone versions but not in the Auv3. They expect you to use the host / DAW keyboard. Others have keyboard in both stand alone and AUV3.

Thanks for the reply! What parameter I should look for if I want to assign a knob to the modwheel in, for example, AUM?

I do not own AUM so I can’t really help with that. If AUM does not have a built in midi keyboard you might wanna look at KB-1 by Numerical Audio. It is a very useful tool to have.

I will have a look, thanks! As for AUM, it has an integrated keyboard, but I can't find any modwheel on it. KB-1 could solve the problem!

wim

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Not a dumb question at all. The AUv3 doesn't have a keyboard.

@oscillotus said:
What parameter I should look for if I want to assign a knob to the modwheel in, for example, AUM?

Unfortunately AUM's keyboard doesn't have a ModWheel. You'd have to use a keyboard surface app such as Xequence Keys, or KB-1 for that. In AUM's routing matrix you would need to connect the keyboard app to Zeeon, then the Modwheel from those apps (or an external controller) should be recognized in Zeeon.

Modwheel can be assigned to anything. It's often assigned to modulation amount from an LFO. You might see a routing matrix like #4 - LFO1 > Pitch and then Mod Wheel > Mod 4 Amount. In that example, LFO1 is modulating pitch, and Mod Wheel is controlling how much the LFO affects pitch.

Other uses could be simply to control a filter cutoff directly, or the speed of an LFO that's modulating a filter cutoff.

I hope that makes sense.

toneman88

@oscillotus said:
Maybe a dumb question as I'm pretty new to iPad music, but is the keyboard and modwheel accessible using Zeeon as a AUv3? I can see it is (Keyboard and modwheel) with Moog Mariana, but I don't see it with Zeeon.

Not a dumb question! The Zeeon AU is dependant on the features of the AU Host and doesn’t provide its own keyboard etc. For example, AUM allows you to use its own keyboard, but doesn’t have a mod wheel or pitch-bend. Cubasis on the other hand, does provide mod wheel and pitch-bend with its keyboard. You could use a MIDI plugin like KB-1 to provide mod wheel, pitch-bend and keyboard.

See screen shots…

Alternatively if you have an external hardware controller with these features, Zeeon will respond to those if connected to the iPad.

I hope that helps.

oscillotus

Thanks for taking the time guys! I've been lurking for the past few weeks and have learned a lot reading your comments! I really appreciate it.

handed

@Crabman said:
Today was day of the Zeeon after a long time not using this but while editing a preset an absolutely HORRIBLE noise/feedback (more like a cry from a horde of demons!!! 🫣😳) occured, out of nowhere. This was extremely dangerous (for my ears), i had just luck that i was using the ipad speaker and not headphones. Seriously, i‘m still shocked and shaking a little 😅 It seems in relation with the reverb, it went away when switching off reverb and i could reproduce it but even one tick on the volume button was too loud and i quickly did shut it down again.

Something like this happened only ONE time before on ipad, in 13 years. With Eon Reverb, but that was much quiter. I deleted it right away. But i feel new love for Zeeon i don‘t want to kick it.

Anyone here betatesting for BS? @Gravitas i saw some posts from you in the BS/Drambo forum (i guess) and it sounded like you do betatest for drambo?

Are they checking their mail etc if i send them the patch? I don‘t want to have another account in a forum i don‘t use.

ipad OS 18.2.1 on M1 pro. Standalone and no other apps running (well. besides internet shit)

I wanted to export a bank with a single file now and stumbled over the next bug. Bank export not working here, tried ipad/synth restart etc… nothing. I can‘t push the“save“ button nor chosing different location in the files app 🫠

Tested with another synth app , all good. So, it‘s not my ipad…

If someone is bored or tired and needs an adrenaline kick, It was this preset and it didn‘t take long til hell broke lose (i played some notes from the seq and started to edit the reverb) 😁

I had something very similar happen with Zeeon recently too. One instance of Zeeon (with some parameters mapped to MIDI control) going into one instance of Transit, both hosted within Aum. A horrible screeching/clipping noise occurred after a few minutes of minimal tweaking and playing. The sound only stopped when I removed Zeeon.

For reference I was using an M1 iPad Pro 12.9, latest iPadOS and latest Aum versions as of about a week ago. Would definitely not trust Zeeon live at the moment, or played at any volume.

Luxthor

@toneman88 said:

KB-1 with Zeeon, you can’t beat that combo. Great choice! 🤩

Crabman

@Luxthor said:

@toneman88 said:

KB-1 with Zeeon, you can’t beat that combo. Great choice! 🤩

I deleted KB few days ago. Somehow it newer run really great for me in all this years.