How to use FAC Maxima and Transient together on drums

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

Which one comes first in the chain: Maxima or Transient? Do they go before or after reverb? Do Maxima and Transient replace NY compression or do you still do that?

In other words, please help the noob get a drum sound with these apps. Maybe Doug could consider a video? (Yes I am a Patreon!)

CracklePot

Dang, I thought you had some insight and made a tutorial.

My attempt would be insert Transient first to get each drum sounding right, add the reverb on the master Buss to get everything to gel together, then Maxima on the master Buss to kick up some dust.

lovadamusic

Anything could be in any order depending on the sound and what I'm trying to fix or enhance.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

I'm just trying to take the output of a drum machine and improve it. Here's a starting patch I came up with last night that sounds pretty good on a DPP acoustic set:

In first place: Transient set to the very first preset. No knobs changed.
Second: Maxima set to drums classic preset. No knobs changed.
Third: Eos set to drum plate. No knobs changed other than dialing wet/dry back from 100%.

I still don't really understand compression, other than it makes things louder and reduces dynamic range.

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@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
I'm just trying to take the output of a drum machine and improve it. Here's a starting patch I came up with last night that sounds pretty good on a DPP acoustic set:

In first place: Transient set to the very first preset. No knobs changed.
Second: Maxima set to drums classic preset. No knobs changed.
Third: Eos set to drum plate. No knobs changed other than dialing wet/dry back from 100%.

I still don't really understand compression, other than it makes things louder and reduces dynamic range.

The Transient app is a way to shape the transients so your drums will have a different timbre. If you try the different presets and note the different settings along with how they change the sound, you can then start to dial in the settings yourself to your liking. If you go to the developer’s website, he explains how the app works.

Maxima allows you to reduce peak volumes and to raise lower volumes combined with an ability to set how fast these changes occur. Once again, you can try different presets, listen, and then dial in what you want. You can set the threshold at which lower sounds are increased in volume. The lower the threshold, the more sounds that will have their volume increased. Sometimes you may want to use maxima on an individual track and/or the mix as a whole. It also has low pass and high pass filter options.

The loudness achieved through compression is a result of how we perceive sound rather than an objective measure of how loud the sound is as measured in dB.

In general, mixing digital sounds together is an additive process. Selecting appropriate volumes and balancing out the competition between the frequencies in different tracks that make up your piece is also significant to how the finished piece will sound.

Panning is another way you can enable different tracks to contribute appropriately as part of the whole piece too.

Given the above considerations, this is why some synth presets which have a wide variety of frequencies and volumes can be a challenge to incorporate in a larger piece, so too can drum sets interfere with other tracks and vice versa.

thesoundtestroom

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr Yes I would be happy make a dedicated drum video for Transient And Maxima, I think I'm really enjoy that, and for now there is no hard and fast rule where to put it in the chain, the video I put out this morning for Grid Music features a Funk Drummer in AUM with a Maxima then a DDMF 6144 EQ then a Transient to Control it all

CracklePot

@InfoCheck said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
I'm just trying to take the output of a drum machine and improve it. Here's a starting patch I came up with last night that sounds pretty good on a DPP acoustic set:

In first place: Transient set to the very first preset. No knobs changed.
Second: Maxima set to drums classic preset. No knobs changed.
Third: Eos set to drum plate. No knobs changed other than dialing wet/dry back from 100%.

I still don't really understand compression, other than it makes things louder and reduces dynamic range.

The Transient app is a way to shape the transients so your drums will have a different timbre. If you try the different presets and note the different settings along with how they change the sound, you can then start to dial in the settings yourself to your liking. If you go to the developer’s website, he explains how the app works.

Maxima allows you to reduce peak volumes and to raise lower volumes combined with an ability to set how fast these changes occur. Once again, you can try different presets, listen, and then dial in what you want. You can set the threshold at which lower sounds are increased in volume. The lower the threshold, the more sounds that will have their volume increased. Sometimes you may want to use maxima on an individual track and/or the mix as a whole. It also has low pass and high pass filter options.

The loudness achieved through compression is a result of how we perceive sound rather than an objective measure of how loud the sound is as measured in dB.

In general, mixing digital sounds together is an additive process. Selecting appropriate volumes and balancing out the competition between the frequencies in different tracks that make up your piece is also significant to how the finished piece will sound.

Panning is another way you can enable different tracks to contribute appropriately as part of the whole piece too.

Given the above considerations, this is why some synth presets which have a wide variety of frequencies and volumes can be a challenge to incorporate in a larger piece, so too can drum sets interfere with other tracks and vice versa.

This is great. Very nice job of explaining these things.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@thesoundtestroom said:
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr Yes I would be happy make a dedicated drum video for Transient And Maxima, I think I'm really enjoy that, and for now there is no hard and fast rule where to put it in the chain, the video I put out this morning for Grid Music features a Funk Drummer in AUM with a Maxima then a DDMF 6144 EQ then a Transient to Control it all

Thanks Doug. Perhaps you could show how these app interact with the NY compression (or replace it?).

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@InfoCheck said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
I'm just trying to take the output of a drum machine and improve it. Here's a starting patch I came up with last night that sounds pretty good on a DPP acoustic set:

In first place: Transient set to the very first preset. No knobs changed.
Second: Maxima set to drums classic preset. No knobs changed.
Third: Eos set to drum plate. No knobs changed other than dialing wet/dry back from 100%.

I still don't really understand compression, other than it makes things louder and reduces dynamic range.

The Transient app is a way to shape the transients so your drums will have a different timbre. If you try the different presets and note the different settings along with how they change the sound, you can then start to dial in the settings yourself to your liking. If you go to the developer’s website, he explains how the app works.

Maxima allows you to reduce peak volumes and to raise lower volumes combined with an ability to set how fast these changes occur. Once again, you can try different presets, listen, and then dial in what you want. You can set the threshold at which lower sounds are increased in volume. The lower the threshold, the more sounds that will have their volume increased. Sometimes you may want to use maxima on an individual track and/or the mix as a whole. It also has low pass and high pass filter options.

The loudness achieved through compression is a result of how we perceive sound rather than an objective measure of how loud the sound is as measured in dB.

In general, mixing digital sounds together is an additive process. Selecting appropriate volumes and balancing out the competition between the frequencies in different tracks that make up your piece is also significant to how the finished piece will sound.

Panning is another way you can enable different tracks to contribute appropriately as part of the whole piece too.

Given the above considerations, this is why some synth presets which have a wide variety of frequencies and volumes can be a challenge to incorporate in a larger piece, so too can drum sets interfere with other tracks and vice versa.

Thanks very much for the lesson. I am also confused about how to use EQ to get everything to sit together in the mix nicely.

Basically I know these things exist (EQ and compression), and what they do. But how to make it all work together is where the art and the craft comes in. It's all a little baffling to me. I just like to pick up an instrument and blow.