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I did a latency test of a lot of small portable speakers - JBL, Sony, Ue, Phillips etc... :)

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  • ApexApex

    @Processaurus said:
    Weird, all the speakers with latency must do an analog to digital conversion, and run some sort of dsp (eq probably?)on the audio. The nice thing about analog processors and amplifiers is they react instantly.

    I’m so used to regular analog processing where everything is near instantaneous, that when I try to use wireless speakers or headphones to produce with, it drives me crazy. That little pause between when I push start button or when I program drums really kills it for me. Also doesn’t help that I’m using hardware sequencers and gear in conjunction with an ipad.

  • steve99steve99

    @rs2000 said:

    @steve99 said:

    @johnrob66 said:
    I know this is an old thread but I wanted to ask whether there are any low latency wireless speakers suitable for keyboards/groove boxes? So output wirelessly from the 1/4 jacks at the rear into a stereo speaker.

    I see there are wireless guitar amps available, but they are mono when wireless, plus not sure if they are great frequency range for other instrument types.

    These are the guitar ones I've found:
    https://www.nuxefx.com/mighty-air.html
    https://www.boss.info/uk/products/katana-air/
    https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/guitars_basses/amps_accessories/thr-ii/index.html

    I was searching for something similar and came across these - like a wireless guitar jack, but also stereo. I’ve bought some (even cheaper on eBay), not arrived yet. If they have the same minimal latency as my wireless guitar (xvive U2) I’ll be happy, although this time my phone will be stuck on my guitar and stereo output from that to speaker:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08JD7QKJV/ref=pe_942301_45935611_TE_FOCE_n_id

    If they really give you the 12ms latency then they look like a useful solution.
    I've built one myself by re-purposing the electronics of old wireless headphones with analog RF transmission. They were a little bit noisy on the headphones but they're perfect for loudspeakers. And latency is virtually nonexistent.

    I was considering something similar as I also have an old pair of RF headphones, but I think it would have got quite messy by the time I'd added battery power (I want to use portable speakers too). I also looked at some '2.4Ghz wireless subwoofer' options, which looked reasonable quality, but I suspect the latency would be too much... and would also have started to get messy with batteries added. Hopefully these stereo jacks will work out well, I'll try to update this when they arrive.

  • johnrob66johnrob66
    edited August 2021

    @steve99 said:

    @johnrob66 said:
    I know this is an old thread but I wanted to ask whether there are any low latency wireless speakers suitable for keyboards/groove boxes? So output wirelessly from the 1/4 jacks at the rear into a stereo speaker.

    I see there are wireless guitar amps available, but they are mono when wireless, plus not sure if they are great frequency range for other instrument types.

    These are the guitar ones I've found:
    https://www.nuxefx.com/mighty-air.html
    https://www.boss.info/uk/products/katana-air/
    https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/guitars_basses/amps_accessories/thr-ii/index.html

    I was searching for something similar and came across these - like a wireless guitar jack, but also stereo. I’ve bought some (even cheaper on eBay), not arrived yet. If they have the same minimal latency as my wireless guitar (xvive U2) I’ll be happy, although this time my phone will be stuck on my guitar and stereo output from that to speaker:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08JD7QKJV/ref=pe_942301_45935611_TE_FOCE_n_id

    I found these myself and I bought them, and have to say very impressed. They are a little on the large side but work great with my Presonos E3.5. Latency is acceptable, not really noticeable.

    However, my search for complete wireless solutions continue. I tried these with headphones, but the volume is too low (vs the same headphones in wired mode), may need a headphone amp?

    I bought a Marshall Kilburn 2 amp, which is great but seems to go to sleep mode on AUX so misses the first second of any input, not great for live playing. Its also not stereo.

    Desperately searching for portable low latency via AUX speakers....

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @xmortenx said:
    I was in a store so I turned up the output volume on the speakers which clipped the Internal mic. The waveforms are only usable to view in regards to their starting points, and I as I had a feeling when playing through them - they had a lot of latency....

    So far the only ones I have found to have near zero latency has been
    Marshall Stockwell
    Minirig (semi harsh sounding)
    Iloud - ( super harsh sounding)

    :)

    Your tests are super helpful (I think I have found other tests you have run on Reddit, which are also helpful). For the Marshall Stockwell, did you measure the original version, V2, or both?

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @cyberheater said:
    I have a background in electronics and electrical engineering.

    If this is a wired connection then I can’t think of any reason why there would be any meaningful latency at all.

    Does anyone have any ideas? Do any of them use a dsp?

    I would imagine wired latency would be pretty negligible otherwise it could render them virtually impossible to use in a live situation, any DSP could cause latency but again I would assume it would be minimised to not increase latency beyond useable levels.

    It isn't true that "any dsp" introduces latency that would make something unusable. A lot of musicians play through digital amps and effects chains. So, mere presence of dsp is not the problem.

    That’s what I was saying, but thanks for clarifying.

  • ExileOnMeatspaceExileOnMeatspace

    Super curious about the latest generation of Marshalls. Rtings gave the Woburn III an excellent review for frequency response and dynamics.

  • recyclerecycle

    Yes, bluetooth adds an amount of latency to the signal, in fact a boombox is not suitable for monitor use. Also, the lossy compression of the signal damages everything that is transmitted with it. Boomboxes should be used for the sole purpose of listening to music during a barbecue, there can be no audio production use with them.

    Note:
    Some time ago I did the same test with my Soundblaster boombox and it turned out that the latency varied with each new connection, ranging from 70ms to 120ms.

  • ExileOnMeatspaceExileOnMeatspace

    @recycle said:
    Yes, bluetooth adds an amount of latency to the signal, in fact a boombox is not suitable for monitor use. Also, the lossy compression of the signal damages everything that is transmitted with it. Boomboxes should be used for the sole purpose of listening to music during a barbecue, there can be no audio production use with them.

    Note:
    Some time ago I did the same test with my Soundblaster boombox and it turned out that the latency varied with each new connection, ranging from 70ms to 120ms.

    Sorry, in the case of the Marshall Woburn III I was referring to the analog in.

    For earlier generations from Marshall I've seen that they had best in class analog latency, but had not seen measurements for the current generation.

  • YolteotlBeatsYolteotlBeats

    Recommendation: Soundcore Motion Boom Plus

    After some research of this topic through forums & other sites, and some purchases (& returns), I got this bluetooth speaker with AUX in. Someone stated this had very minimal latency, which works for live playing. I use it for looping. Overall great sound quality for a mid-range priced speaker. got it on sale for $150 amazon, 80watts. 4.5 lbs weight. The bass sounds great.

  • wahnfriedenwahnfrieden
    edited November 2023

    Please test OB-4 with latest firmware if you can get access to it

    It's good to measure the line-in latency also of these devices... I personally use Line In when I'm producing. Not all/many speakers have line in option and bluetooth and battery.

    The ultimate will be once CME's new wireless audio devices arrive. wonder about cost and size tho. very very low latency, iirc single digit possibly.

  • ExileOnMeatspaceExileOnMeatspace

    A quick update that I've been very happily using the Marshall Woburn III, posted my experience over here: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/marshall-woburn-iii-analog-latency.2454781/

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