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Behringer model d as a midi controller

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  • ToMessToMess

    @Dham said:
    It says that the Model D will show as a class-compliant USB midi device which leads me to believe that it will work fine with IOS devices. I just ordered one from Musician's Friend ($239US with 20% off code I received in an email this morning).

    Yes, but its only for midi notes, pitch bend and mod wheel, so essentially just keyboard input. Knobs lack this sort of digital control

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited April 2018

    @ka010 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @ka010 said:
    I must be missing something here but why on earth would you want to do that anyway? If you have a hardware synth, why not just play that?

    No question, but polyphony, presets and portability would be valid reasons.

    I get that but dropping a bunch of money on an actual hard synth just to use it a s midi controller still seems like a weird thing to do. Given the price of the behringer d, one could argue it's just as cheap as midi controller so I guess it would be cool if it worked.

    Absolutely!
    But in fact, the Behringer is almost as cheap as building your own custom control panel, it already has all the knobs and buttons and a nice front panel so you could even add the control functionality by customizing some available MIDI control electronics yourself, and you have an additional analog synth "for free" :p

  • ka010ka010

    @Shazamm said:
    i bought a 1000 dollar sledge 2 black edition just because
    it layed out like a moog and it had midi cc. But the damn knobs were horrible

    Well, if you're that serious about it why not get something custom made or even better, make one yourself?

    Happy to help, if you need someone to help you get started.

    Well I totally loved the sledge 2 to as a synth more than a midi controller lol. it was digital so its basically a vst in a box lol. Im looking into have a model 15 controller. Also trying to make one myself using arduino

    If you have the time, making a ModelD controller yourself would me a great little project, I'd say go for it!
    Not sure about a Model15 one tho, how would you manage the patching? Thinking about this, I believe Arturia originally had a similar approach for the Matrixbrute but dismissed digital patching in favour for the much simpler matrix.

    @rs2000 said:

    @ka010 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @ka010 said:
    I must be missing something here but why on earth would you want to do that anyway? If you have a hardware synth, why not just play that?

    No question, but polyphony, presets and portability would be valid reasons.

    I get that but dropping a bunch of money on an actual hard synth just to use it a s midi controller still seems like a weird thing to do. Given the price of the behringer d, one could argue it's just as cheap as midi controller so I guess it would be cool if it worked.

    Absolutely!
    But in fact, the Behringer is almost as cheap as building your own custom control panel, it already has all the knobs and buttons and a nice front panel so you could even add the control functionality by customizing some available MIDI control electronics yourself, and you have an additional analog synth "for free" :p

    Yeah I was thinking that at first too but I doubt it'll work. Not only would it be a PITA to solder all the connections but given that it's a fully analog synth, the pots are actually part of the circuit carrying audio/cv, so messing with them would most likely alter the synth characteristics if not break it completely.

    I'd say starting from scratch would be the way to go, if it doesn't have to be full size I'd start with a 84hp euro panel which is about 10$, it's aluminum so drilling the holes and even adding a nice panel design is as easy as it gets.
    Add some nice wodden casing and your good to go. For the electronics, teensy or something similar comes to mind as it features more I/O than a regular arduino.

  • DhamDham

    @Shazamm said:

    @ka010 said:
    I must be missing something here but why on earth would you want to do that anyway? If you have a hardware synth, why not just play that?

    i give two turtle shits about hardware synths Im in the box but I want physical controls for my virtual synths. I like presets saving my sounds not trying hours to recreate one.

    That's what I figured which is why I mentioned the Korg MS-20ic. It is an ideal controller for synths such as Model D, Model 15 and of course iMS-20!

    I still have one but have not had a chance to map it to the Model D app. yet. I also received the Behringer Model D yesterday, but haven't opened it yet. I probably don't really need it, but at that price and after listening to the reviews, it is too good to pass up.

  • ShazammShazamm

    @Dham said:

    @Shazamm said:

    @ka010 said:
    I must be missing something here but why on earth would you want to do that anyway? If you have a hardware synth, why not just play that?

    i give two turtle shits about hardware synths Im in the box but I want physical controls for my virtual synths. I like presets saving my sounds not trying hours to recreate one.

    That's what I figured which is why I mentioned the Korg MS-20ic. It is an ideal controller for synths such as Model D, Model 15 and of course iMS-20!

    I still have one but have not had a chance to map it to the Model D app. yet. I also received the Behringer Model D yesterday, but haven't opened it yet. I probably don't really need it, but at that price and after listening to the reviews, it is too good to pass up.

    I have one I use it with iMs-20 app mostly

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited April 2018

    @ka010 said:
    Yeah I was thinking that at first too but I doubt it'll work. Not only would it be a PITA to solder all the connections but given that it's a fully analog synth, the pots are actually part of the circuit carrying audio/cv, so messing with them would most likely alter the synth characteristics if not break it completely.

    Indeed it will be a lot of work. Some pots might have usable voltage ranges ready to feed into the ADC circuitry, others will have to be switched between the analog and the controller circuit. Some lines might be switchable with e.g. analog CMOS switches, others might ask for quality print relays.
    It will most likely be a controller that can be switched between either controller or analog synth mode, but I don't think that's going to be a problem.

    I'd say starting from scratch would be the way to go, if it doesn't have to be full size I'd start with a 84hp euro panel which is about 10$, it's aluminum so drilling the holes and even adding a nice panel design is as easy as it gets.
    Add some nice wodden casing and your good to go. For the electronics, teensy or something similar comes to mind as it features more I/O than a regular arduino.

    I've done a number of hardware hacks and if you only value a little fraction of the time you'll spent to just make a relatively nice box, including knobs and pots and power supply, in the end you're probably saving less money than you thought.
    One advantage of the complete DIY design is that you can choose the pots that best match the ADC inputs.

    Has anyone thought about making a Lemur template?

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    If the knobs do not send or receive MIDI then it is useless for using with a sequencer. :|
    If your OK with one shot audio only recording this is fine.

  • ka010ka010

    @rs2000 said:

    @ka010 said:
    Yeah I was thinking that at first too but I doubt it'll work. Not only would it be a PITA to solder all the connections but given that it's a fully analog synth, the pots are actually part of the circuit carrying audio/cv, so messing with them would most likely alter the synth characteristics if not break it completely.

    Indeed it will be a lot of work. Some pots might have usable voltage ranges ready to feed into the ADC circuitry, others will have to be switched between the analog and the controller circuit. Some lines might be switchable with e.g. analog CMOS switches, others might ask for quality print relays.
    It will most likely be a controller that can be switched between either controller or analog synth mode, but I don't think that's going to be a problem.

    Well, it surely can be done but at what cost/effort?

    I'd say starting from scratch would be the way to go, if it doesn't have to be full size I'd start with a 84hp euro panel which is about 10$, it's aluminum so drilling the holes and even adding a nice panel design is as easy as it gets.
    Add some nice wodden casing and your good to go. For the electronics, teensy or something similar comes to mind as it features more I/O than a regular arduino.

    I've done a number of hardware hacks and if you only value a little fraction of the time you'll spent to just make a relatively nice box, including knobs and pots and power supply, in the end you're probably saving less money than you thought.
    One advantage of the complete DIY design is that you can choose the pots that best match the ADC inputs.

    Has anyone thought about making a Lemur template?

    I wouldn't make it about saving money, but the fun, the learning experience, and the reward of having made something yourself. If you have the time for it, that is...

  • slackerludditeslackerluddite

    So what is the conclusion? Has anyone tested it? Are the knobs and switches included in the midi implementation?

  • DaveypooDaveypoo

    I'm dying to know as well. I'm eyeing the Model D for my birthday next month. Not being a controller is by no means a deal breaker, but if it CAN.....

  • LurcherLurcher

    @slackerluddite said:
    So what is the conclusion? Has anyone tested it? Are the knobs and switches included in the midi implementation?

    @Daveypoo said:
    I'm dying to know as well. I'm eyeing the Model D for my birthday next month. Not being a controller is by no means a deal breaker, but if it CAN.....

    Think this has already been answered in the thread it’s only very basic midi implementation. Knobs and switches do not send midi. If it had they most likely would have been unable to get as close as they did to the D sound.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @slackerluddite said:
    So what is the conclusion? Has anyone tested it? Are the knobs and switches included in the midi implementation?

    ???

  • slackerludditeslackerluddite

    @Lurcher said:
    Think this has already been answered in the thread it’s only >very basic midi implementation. Knobs and switches do not >send midi. If it had they most likely would have been unable to >get as close as they did to the D sound.

    Thanks Lurcher. That is the conclusion I came to from the comments but it is still only a theortical conclusion. I would be surprised that that conclusion is wrong but still I was hoping to get in-practice confirmation from the OP or somone else who owns the unit and has tried it out.

  • slackerludditeslackerluddite

    Okay folks got the word from the OP and it's a no go... maybe it's a good thing depending on how you look at life. Thanks everyone.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    :/ thanks for the confirmation

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