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OP-Z Teenage Engineering New Workstation Coming Soon - Perfect Ipad Accessory or Irrelevant?

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  • One really bizarre thing I have noticed about the OP-1 pricing in the U.S. is that it has been out of stock at most places for many months yet the price has gone up from $849 to $899 and now $999! They always list it as being available on the 3rd of the next month but then when you check back it will say available the 3rd of the following month. I've read reports on the OP-1 forums of folks waiting 9 or more months for their orders.

  • edited August 2018

    I waited 3 months for my op-1. It was worth the waiting. I don’t like its sequencer so much so the op-z is very welcome. I always bring it with me when travel just like the ipad.

  • This thing looks too cool.

  • Wasn’t interested in this until cuckoos tutorial. This thing is deep and pretty powerful it seems.

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  • edited October 2018

    That’s a great little thing this OP-Z.
    I don’t know it’s the right thing for me but I love the mobility (180g), size and the concept behind. It seems very powerful in the right hands.

    Cuckoo is a genius by its own and I’m sure he really enjoy to play with it. It’s the right thing for his unique music.

    Here is his first live performance with the OP-Z in Berlin. Enjoy!

  • sounds like a rerelease of a circuitbent casio from the 80's, to me.
    Cheesy sounds with a couple of cheasy pocket operator fx. Not for me....luckily

  • A very interesting and well thought-out concept. Reminds me a lot of Groove Rider.
    Good for guys who want to make music on a TV remote.
    I'd personally rather save the money for a large iPhone and run Gadget and GR-16...

  • edited October 2018

    @JenaMu6 said:
    sounds like a rerelease of a circuitbent casio from the 80's, to me.
    Cheesy sounds with a couple of cheasy pocket operator fx. Not for me....luckily

    Doesn’t sound cheesy at all. You gotta separate cuckoos style in his videos from the capabilities of the device. Yes it can sound chiptuney but st it’s heart it’s a sample player + synth. You can load whatever samples you want and program the synth engines to not sound chiptuney and cheap.

  • Fun! But way too overprized. Nice to have for less than100 bucks.
    Maybe some app devs can learn a little of Teenage Engineering about marketing and hyping in product, becuse that is certain a thing they are good at.

    This Miniaturization of devices is a a cool trend ( because they look cool) but also quite annoying if you gor bigger hands. Maybe the attractiveness is because they look like childern toys. It makes playablilty needless difficult. Reminds me of cool looking clothes you must have but they don't fit too well.

  • edited October 2018

    Kudos to Cuckoo for his hard work on that 1.5 hr long OP-Z tutorial but I didn't see/hear anything that made me really want it... but I like this OP-Z only EP made by Hot Science. He's also been patiently answering questions about it.

    https://hotscience.bandcamp.com/album/mini-moves-deluxe

  • edited November 2018

  • edited November 2018

    Teenage engineering havent made a single product that i find interesting. Or well if op1 costed 99€ i might get one just for the lolz and small midi keys. This one gets another meh from me as well

  • I'm not sure if I'm going to spring for the op-z, but Imo the value in tE's instruments is that they are quite different workflows than everything else, the deluge is good for that as well so there isn't really any overlap in using their products I like the idea of that

  • edited November 2018

    Got a OP-Z today... 😎

    It’s so tiny, lightweight and probably powerful. I will give me one week to test it out. 🎶

    Anyone else here who own one?

  • @kobamoto said:
    I'm not sure if I'm going to spring for the op-z, but Imo the value in tE's instruments is that they are quite different workflows than everything else, the deluge is good for that as well so there isn't really any overlap in using their products I like the idea of that

    Yeah, agree with that. I ended up with 6 pocket operators - I thought I was buying something with a few useful sounds and horrible U.I. connectivity. But actually, the low-fi solutions they came up with to make those things work together are stunningly good for a below-budget-gear price point. Live effects, parameter automation, and chaining dozens of patterns together in start mode (along with CV/Gate trigger that actually works) are implemented in those little "calculator synths" in ways that make me mad at every $200+ piece of gear that doesn't also have that functionality.

    Unfortunately, the melodic versions of the PO's (Sub, Factory, etc) are so ridiculously limited by the C-Major key designation, and there's no MIDI, of course, so you can't really get around that. The Rhythm, Tonic, and K.O. are quite good, however.

    The OP lineup looks cool, but I think if you're an iOS music user, you'd still be hard-pressed to justify the price point and strange workflow versus what we can already do with a inexpensive app or two.

  • edited November 2018

    @StormJH1 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I'm not sure if I'm going to spring for the op-z, but Imo the value in tE's instruments is that they are quite different workflows than everything else, the deluge is good for that as well so there isn't really any overlap in using their products I like the idea of that

    Yeah, agree with that. I ended up with 6 pocket operators - I thought I was buying something with a few useful sounds and horrible U.I. connectivity. But actually, the low-fi solutions they came up with to make those things work together are stunningly good for a below-budget-gear price point. Live effects, parameter automation, and chaining dozens of patterns together in start mode (along with CV/Gate trigger that actually works) are implemented in those little "calculator synths" in ways that make me mad at every $200+ piece of gear that doesn't also have that functionality.

    Unfortunately, the melodic versions of the PO's (Sub, Factory, etc) are so ridiculously limited by the C-Major key designation, and there's no MIDI, of course, so you can't really get around that. The Rhythm, Tonic, and K.O. are quite good, however.

    The OP lineup looks cool, but I think if you're an iOS music user, you'd still be hard-pressed to justify the price point and strange workflow versus what we can already do with a inexpensive app or two.

    been trying to triq traq myself out of thinking about the op-z all morning..... not working ha.

    but there are some cons, the comments under the op-z vids are very informative like the fact that it's only 16 steps no matter what you have the resolution on. don't have a good feeling about that.. and this trend of unnecessarily ball and chaining expensive hardware with less than amicable features in this year of our lord 2018 is annoying as h.e. double hockey sticks!! I'm all for the squeeze creativity out of the limitations but the trend is just starting to get ridiculous... te do it, elektron do it, novation, and others it's getting weird, and I love my digitakt for sure but I promised myself I wouldn't spend money on anything else that deliberately makes you jump through hoops for simple sh*t, I just hope great features of the op-z don't make me break my promise

  • @kobamoto said:

    @StormJH1 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I'm not sure if I'm going to spring for the op-z, but Imo the value in tE's instruments is that they are quite different workflows than everything else, the deluge is good for that as well so there isn't really any overlap in using their products I like the idea of that

    Yeah, agree with that. I ended up with 6 pocket operators - I thought I was buying something with a few useful sounds and horrible U.I. connectivity. But actually, the low-fi solutions they came up with to make those things work together are stunningly good for a below-budget-gear price point. Live effects, parameter automation, and chaining dozens of patterns together in start mode (along with CV/Gate trigger that actually works) are implemented in those little "calculator synths" in ways that make me mad at every $200+ piece of gear that doesn't also have that functionality.

    Unfortunately, the melodic versions of the PO's (Sub, Factory, etc) are so ridiculously limited by the C-Major key designation, and there's no MIDI, of course, so you can't really get around that. The Rhythm, Tonic, and K.O. are quite good, however.

    The OP lineup looks cool, but I think if you're an iOS music user, you'd still be hard-pressed to justify the price point and strange workflow versus what we can already do with a inexpensive app or two.

    been trying to triq traq myself out of thinking about the op-z all morning..... not working ha.

    but there are some cons, the comments under the op-z vids are very informative like the fact that it's only 16 steps no matter what you have the resolution on. don't have a good feeling about that.. and this trend of unnecessarily ball and chaining expensive hardware with less than amicable features in this year of our lord 2018 is annoying as h.e. double hockey sticks!! I'm all for the squeeze creativity out of the limitations but the trend is just starting to get ridiculous... te do it, elektron do it, novation, and others it's getting weird, and I love my digitakt for sure but I promised myself I wouldn't spend money on anything else that deliberately makes you jump through hoops for simple sh*t, I just hope great features of the op-z don't make me break my promise

    I consider the op-z a low risk purchase because it’s easy to sell for the purchase price if you don’t like it

  • that's a thought!

    hmm

  • Had the OP-1 for over 2 years now and while it does have a unique and playful workflow, it can also be extremely frustrating due to its limitations and poor quality audio in/out jacks and cheap-feeling keys. Using it as a strictly stand-alone device is practically impossible, you eventually need to connect to a computer or mobile device to move files to and from the OP-1. For the first 5 years it was on the market there were pops and clicks when looping audio, I finally took the plunge once TE announced that looping issue was resolved. Generally, investing in TE products isn’t a very risky gamble though since TE products retain decent resale value, and they can provide a fun and fairly unique experience.

    That being said, for less than the cost of an OP-Z (which will have an optional hardware module upgrade coming $oon) a person could get a refurbished iPhone 6s Plus 128GB, an audio interface, and Korg Gadget with a few IAP’s. You can expand the capabilities of the 6s Plus with inexpensive apps, you can actually sample audio, you don’t need a computer or extra device to completely finish a project and email it or post it online, and the entire setup is still portable enough to travel with easily. You would also have an MPE capable Bluetooth MIDI controller thanks to 3D touch on that iPhone.

    I’ve been revisiting Nanostudio on a 32GB iPhone 5C this month and have reached the conclusion that it is my all time favorite pocket-sized workstation. The synth sounds great and is easy to tweak, I can sample via the mic, import audio from other apps, edit samples, record/edit sequences and automations with precision, mix my tracks and perform live, and email or upload finished project files or songs without a second device. Even though there aren’t audio tracks it’s not a problem, the sampling workaround is similar to most grooveboxes I’ve used. Also the desktop Nanostudio is free on PC and Mac so I could continue working on a desktop/laptop very easily if desired.
    If Nanostudio 2 is released soon and becomes a universal app then my two iPhone SE’s will become my new portable workstations, still with a total cost of less than two thirds of the OP-Z, and all three devices together will be slightly larger than one OP-Z.
    Since the OP-1 average resale price is now about $200 more than what I paid brand new, the idea of selling it is getting tempting...it’s worth about 3 car payments or 1 mortgage payment now.

  • edited November 2018

    "for less than the cost of_ Insert Synth Name Here_ a person could get a _Insert name of IOS Device and IOS app names here _"

    This is a recurring argument we've seen over the years.

    But hardly anybody seems satisfied with just an iPhone or iPad. Otherwise you'd never see a thread on this website on some new hardware synth from Moog, Yamaha, Sequential, Korg, or whoever. And somebody has started a thread on all of those within just this past year.

    Now that more and more people have gotten an OP-Z and been reporting on it, posting demos/tracks/etc. it does look more interesting to me than it did a couple of months ago. But the iOS app for it is apparently a display-only app.

    For some people it's still not the perfect iPad accessory. Maybe it's a Korg Monologue instead. Or a Yamaha MODX. Maybe it's just a better audio interface or a better MIDI controller. Really depends on who you are and how you like to work, and what you really need (as opposed to just want) at the moment.

  • I dunno, woke up and this clip turned me off

  • @kobamoto said:
    I dunno, woke up and this clip turned me off

    Check this out

  • Dohhh man, I’m like the opposite, I’d be looking to replace iOS with something like this lol.

    Good Andrew Huang find, such Telefon Tel Aviv vibes on 6

  • edited November 2018

    yzjustdatguy 4:54 of that Huang clip got me back interested.
    so is it that each seq track can have it's own tempo/ time sig?

  • Each project has a fixed tempo but you can adjust amount of steps per track, so that’s where you’d start to get interesting offsets and timings. I’m just dying for physical controls again and those performance fx are awesome

  • maybe not, he was just automating the delay?

  • edited November 2018

    @icsleepers said:
    Each project has a fixed tempo but you can adjust amount of steps per track, so that’s where you’d start to get interesting offsets and timings. I’m just dying for physical controls again and those performance fx are awesome

    yeah its def a cool instrument, just need to want it for the right reason :)
    being so small, I would primarily want to keep it with me and use it for heavy sample based production, but being that you need the computer etc... I'm not sure how practical it would be for that kind of application if I have to keep connecting to a puter for samples.

    the digitakt lets you chain together patterns of diff tempos nicely

  • @kobamoto Yeah I’m likely picking up a Pocket Operator KO (PO33) when it’s available by me, they’re all out of stock currently. I want to get back into hardware a bit but hard to justify the cost of the OPZ right now. If I get on well with the PO I’m thinking I’ll pick up OPZ (when that’s available, funds permitting lol). They’re pretty incredible looking devices!

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