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IM1 sound quality
Hi again, i posted a new thread concerning iOS pianos and keybd controllers. I am new to iOS music production, but find it extremely compelling. This thread concerns the tinny sound quality I am gettin on iM1 and wonder what others are experiencing. Wim has kindly given me some advice pointing me to the VDF, EG and cutoff and resonance. I really think EQ adjustment is what I am looking for but it is not present in the IM1 layout. So I am considering Aum and an EQ app to try and improve the sound. This seems particular to iM1 for me. ISymphonic and Gadget don't seem to have a similar issue. Any thoughts on how to improve the sound quality or similar experiences?
Thanks and my appreciation for the knowledge shared in this forum!
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Have you tried using Darwin(iM1) in Gadget...does that have the same tinny sound ?
You could also use the EQ that is included in Gadget to fiddle if you need.
Worth to note is that the original M1 was never a 'fat' synth.
not a fan at all, maybe for pads etc
Any preset in particular? Maybe some of us could take a crack at improving the patch.
There's an "equaliser " in the insert FX page. That in combination with an overdrive and some filtering should take care of the weak tinny sound. If you put it into AUM you can use the builtin EQ and filters there additionally.
Samu is quite correct, the M1 sounds are not 'fat', and the piano sounds in particular are very thin and tinny. I have owned a hardware M1 for nearly 30 years, but I have never liked the piano sound and never use it in recordings unless maybe I need a 'saloon' type sound. I suspect that because the M1 is an 8-track workstation, the sounds were intentionally kept 'thin' so that they would leave sonic space in the mix when layered together. Equalization may help things a bit, but the problem lies in the samples used; there is just not enough ROM memory devoted to the piano samples. But tech developed rapidly in those early years of workstations - just a couple years later came the Korg X2/3, basically the same architecture as the M1, but with only a few more Meg of ROM devoted to the samples, it has a vastly superior piano. IMO the 'X' keyboards would have been a better choice for release as iOS apps.
What sounds 'tinny' in solo context usually fits perfectly in a mix.
Wow! What a ton of info and sage opinions! Thanks so much. I will look for the EQ in Gadget. And now I understand much more the nature of the M1 to begin with. Thousands of sounds! Caveat emptor! Still, the pads are pretty cool.
I will return with any positive results I may experience. Thanks again for all the help!
It was that character of the M1 piano sound which was why it was used in countless dance and house tunes.
Indeed
I miss my old X5
The issue I have with iM1 is when the keyboard is set to chord mode all the presets seem to have the same character or underlying timbre. Most of the presets end up sounding like variations of the same preset. Yet, when the keyboard is set to normal and I play some chords myself, the presets sound more individualistic and different. Does anyone know if there is a chord setting that can be changed so that the presets can sound a bit different?
One BIG problem with the iM1 (and all Korg App except Module) onscreen keyboard is the lack of dynamics.
No Y-Axis velocity means all patches get played with max velocity which is pretty bad considering envelopes, filters and effects sends etc. are velocity sensitive...
...same goes for the Gadget onscreen pads & keys will Korg ever learn how to make proper 'onscreen keyboards'?
When they decide to stop selling hardware midi controllers.
That would be a huge mistake and doesn't explain why the onscreen keyboard in Module already has Y-Axis velocity?! Even though I have multiple controllers I prefer to use the iPad as a stand alone device.
Then again using the iM1 as a stand alone app I can always use the Cubasis keyboard to play the sounds
Just sayin' the motivation isn't strong for them to make it easier to get along without a hardware controller, especially one that automatically integrates better than any other, such as in Gadget. Module probably slipped through before the marketing types twigged to it ... or maybe not - maybe they convinced them to make that goofy 3D keyboard that doesn't resize as a compromise for the velocity capability.
Yeah i think you'd need to mix it in something like AUM with FX and compression. As far as I know it's exactly the same sound as the original....
It near enough nulls hardware vs software on the desktop, and as far as i know it is a direct port of the desktop software.
I tested heavily before selling on my hardeare M1.
So, Amarok, what piano do you use?
Andy and LucidMusic: I discovered the EQ in Gadget and made some adjustments that improved the sound for my ears, so thanks for that.
I hope you guys will weigh in on my other thread re iOS pianos and controllers. Your comments are valued and very enlightening about the business side of things as well. I was thinking about Module but thought it would be more of the same, but apparently not according to Samu. I think I'll start a new thread....
I suspect that the sound character is probably fairly representative of the late 80s digital synth that it came from.
That said I use it live and its fine for that. I bought the iM1 and all the cards and it instantly became the backbone of my live setup (I play in an 80s band)
Talking strictly hardware here: Depends on the music of course, but for multitrack arrangements with other instruments or percussion, or if the piano will have effects or treatments, the Korg X2 piano sounds just fine.
But for solo or isolated 'Grand' piano, or if I'm working on classical or jazz, I have an old Korg C-7000. Even though it's been around a few years, I really can't hear any difference with a newer digital piano, and I've grown to prefer the C7000 anyway.