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@Durwin99
not the nicest behavior, yes, but somehow these apps really sound awesome. I think I will keep the BIAS FX and get myself some expansion packs, when they are on sale... in the meantime, hehe... I will save up money for my Line6 Helix
I wish they would have given us first version owners a little treat, but what the heck...
Yeah I think the Bias Amp simulations are pretty much the best I've heard. (Overloud TH-2 on desktop being a close second).
The messed up thing is I've owned Bias for iPhone for ages and now was able to pick up Bias 2 on my iPad Air but using my iPad 2 (iOS 9.3.5) I can download the original Bias 1 for iPad as "last compatible version", but can't do this on my iPad Air due to Apples crazy policy of not allowing older version .ipa files to be backup up anymore...
Apologies for that convoluted description but I blame Apple.
Can you load the old version on to your Air from the "purchased" tab?
And if so, you could put it on the Air with iMazing or iFunbox, I think.
Yes. My experience with beta testing for them was not particularly good, I found that they weren’t actually looking to make anything better, just looking to market more things. After the regrettable purchase of their drummer (WHY did I keep giving them money? No idea) I was cured of any interest in their apps in the future. But you hit the nail on the head- right after they ended their association with Derek Buddemeyer that’s when the company attitude changed.
Oh well, life goes on and there’s many other tools.
ToneStack & the Fender Collection 2 from Amplitube are my usual go-to’s, but I like & have used BIAS AMP & FX.
I updated to BIAS AMP 2 and am a bit confused as to what purchasing the IAP upgrade for $15 will actually get you? It seems to have the basic functionality of BIAS AMP 1 for previous users who bought the IAP in v.1 & for new users getting it for free (as some have noted, a bit lame); but aside from extra cabs are there any sonic advantages or features worth the $15?
It sounds like none of the regulars here took a shot and upgraded to the “real” version 2...with this ambiguous update I don’t blame them.
Latest update fixes Cab issues?
I’m using bias 2 since the first update,and -,i must say it sounds killer!
I’ve always thought it sounded a little bit harsh to my ears.that’s over!
Sounds great!
thanks @flo26 I trust your ears - but it's IOS 10 and above, so it's out of bounds for me...
😉
Thanks!!
Yesterday Positive Grid answered my email about this issue as follows:
"We've acknowledged this critical issue, just like what you described here: with BIAS FX iPad 1.6.0.3582, there's no output if you use BIAS FX presets with these BIAS FX's amps: '59 Tweed Lux , '66 AC Boost, '69 Duo Verb, '69 Plexiglas.
Therefore, the workaround is to temporarily replace these amps with any of the others. If you use other amps but still have this issue, please switch to any of the other amps and back to work it around.
However, Please Do not overwrite any of your custom presets for now.
We're working on a hotfix to address this issue and will release it in the shortest possible time. We at Positive Grid apologize for the inconvenience it has caused and appreciate your patience and understanding."
I don’t really understand their description of the 2.0 unlock IAP either, it says “ToneCloud, BIAS FX integration” but from what I can tell, these are part of the base package, because they work for me right now, I’ve downloaded 12 tonecloud amps to test and passed an amp into Bias FX no problem. It then says “new Tonestack models” but I can’t see any in the list which are disabled, unlike the tubes list. The new cabinet module is also there.
So I think the upgrade is for:
Your guess is as good as mine what “AND MORE!” means as an upgrade !!!
It also looks like you NEED to purchase 2.0 unlock to be able to buy ANY of the IAP now, including the original Glassy, Crunch & Insane packs.
Edit: oh dear, since I deleted the app and reinstalled it again, even though it says the IAP I’ve purchased (Glassy pack) is “installed”, I can’t find the amps anywhere. So it looks like the 2.0 unlock is needed to purchase AND use the amp packs... I tried a restore purchase, no luck.
I tried 2.0.1 and there’s still a problem. A number of amp presets have the cab disabled (e.g. for me, it’s British 900 Clean, Hiway 103 Clean, Mini Duo Reverb, British Plexi 50W, I’m sure there’s more) and if so, you cannot turn the cab on. If the preset has the cab already on, then you can turn it off & on no problem. I have found that if you export a problematic amp into Bias FX, then from there export it back to BIas, then you can enable/disable the cabs again!! But I don’t know if this export-export loses anything in the process?
@flo26 posted a demo of BIAS 2 here:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/26044/bias-2-demo#latest
It swayed me to go ahead and try it. Plus a few sites I read put over how close the iOS version is supposed to be to the desktop, which if you look at the rundown on the Positive Grid site is pretty impressive:
https://www.positivegrid.com/bias-amp/
@Durwin99 Odd, my IAP amp packs are available without going to 2.0.
It's pretty poor marketing though if it needs this much detective work to discover what the upgrade entails ...
Absolutely, the website doesn't even mention that it's available for iOS, it still shows BIAS AMP under the mobile category.
I just went through Google looking through blogs & forums for any info, it sounds like some guitar press knew of it through NAMM, etc. You'd think a major update for their app that's already on sale through the Apple store would get some promotion or at least info on the companies website...
Just buy it if you can guys!!
It’s really amazing!
so...... Will buying Bias Amp 2.0469'errrr give me everything I don't have ATM? Like I've got Bias Amp, and I think the insane and one other IAP. Not sure if I have them all. If I upgrade, then I get??? All the good stuff, minus the IAP I didn't get in Bias Amp, the original?
It's $15.00? I guess it doesn't matter, I'll probably updgrade for that price.
The question is, what do I get with purchasing the latest version? I don’t quite get it right now?! More amps? More cabs? Anyone insight in this?
Sadly not since it's the purchased tab only shows Bias 2... seems there's no way to extract/backup the older version from an existing install.
After playing with it awhile I’d say BIAS 2 is more for guitar players whose main instrument is guitar; many musicians play guitar, chords, a bit of lead pentatonic box riffing, etc. but are keys players or drummers first. This is for cats who like to fiddle with tone variables and can tell the difference when a seemingly minute change has been made.
With time some really convincing amps can be created; through my Strat with Fender Vintage Noiseless pickups many of the amps sounded like tones recorded in a room with an SM57...exactly what we want. It can also sound spiky & very “direct injection” sounding on some settings.
I dig the sounds above all, the problem is Positive Grid’s lack of communication with its target users. The interface is so-so, the way amp/cab presets are saved is weird and there’s just a lot to be ironed out. The tone cloud thing is a spectacular idea and works most of the time, but I have yet to have the “preview” feature work when browsing amp presets...it’s those types of things that can turn people off of a specialized app like this. You see a cool Vox AC30 preset and want to hear it before you download it and you’re stuck looking at a button saying “playing...” with no sounds coming out of the speakers/headphones. Annoying.
An update was just released correcting some bugs so I hope Positive Grid keep up the refinement because the app deserves a smooth interface & ease of use, especially with how great it can sound.
End of my .02¢...
Concerning sound preview ,you must select preview,then ,YOU play.😉
Once over,you’ll get back to your preset.
Is that clear?😉
I’m a dumbass, lol. I thought a file played with the tone...makes sense though to test an amp sim through the rig you’ll be using...
I'm considering getting back into BIAS (in part to try and prevent G.A.S. and much more expensive hardware purchases), but I really still do not understand the value of the 2.0 upgrade. I don't actually have much interest in using BIAS for amp design - I just want play the amps they provide and try other people's on ToneCloud. The software upgrade seemed to remove whatever ToneCloud amps I had saved previously, though I think I can get them back.
But the description for 2.0 IAP is piss poor. Two of the items listed are "Unlimited Custom Amps Saving" and "ToneCloud". Weren't both of these things fully available in the BIAS 1.0 version we used for years? None of these new features have anything to do with the general functionality or sound quality of the app. It appears to be basically an IAP Amp Component Pack. I think the issue is that if you don't upgrade to this, then it will brick a lot of the PG IAP packs and other user-generated amps that rely on those components. Sort of like trying to jump into a Call of Duty multiplayer game without owning all the proper map packs (for a bit of a nerdy and probably now-dated reference).
Heck, you could take two more of those descriptors ("full amp design" and "BIAS FX Integration") and ask: "Wait, didn't we already have that before?"
I know @flo26 is a fan of this new content, and I'd be interested in some of the new amps and getting back into FX and Pedal. But I feel like this is just a premium content trap to generate new revenue in order to allow the product to continue working as a complete package, and I really dislike being drawn into that.
P.S. - The issue noted by @TheVimFuego on May 3rd, where a red "recording" banner remains on your iPad (indicating JamUp Pro is active, interestingly)...yeah, that was never fixed. And I suspect it involves background resources that would drain your battery unless you want to shut down your iPad every time you are done using BIAS. Yikes.
I upgraded on another iPad (not mine, no way!) and as far as I can see, the functionality from the old version is all there, including ToneCloud and Bias FX integration. I’ve had other problems along the way, as I’ve described previously here and in the other thread (BIAS on iPhone). I agree, the “v2 functionality pack” IAP is confusing, but I think it just gives you a couple more tubes/mics/cabs and that’s it.
BTW, you can’t purchase any more IAP without first buying that v2 IAP... probably a good thing
I haven’t done an A/B sound comparison between the old and new versions, I can’t seem to find the energy! But Flo26 likes the new sounds, and he should know!
Okay, so following my post from last week, I talked to some more people in various threads, and a few of the things I was upset about were not entirely true. The primary thing I had wrong was that BIAS Amp 2.0 does not really remove any functionality from the original version, at least not that I could see. You can still access ToneCloud amps, though they may limit how many you can save or what you can do with them. The one caveat to that is that by pumping more and more paid expansions into the ecosystem, it IS true that the ToneCloud selections become a bit fractured, and you may see a lot of great options that you actually cannot download unless you've purchased all of the IAP's, so that is a bit of a nuisance.
Overall, I purchased some new stuff, and here are some thoughts:
2.0 UPGRADE:
As noted above, the 2.0 Update does feel a bit like a cash grab. The components they added mostly related to amp building, which I do not use directly. HOWEVER, the 2.0 update items do get used in many of the other amps and ToneCloud amps, plus you need to unlock 2.0 to get other add-ons, so it's sort of a necessary evil.
CELESTION CABS/IR:
I bought only one of these - I think it was the classic pack that has 5 of the more classic Celestion speakers, and I had a reasonable amount of familiarity with those from various amps I've played/owned. Compared to many of the stock cabs in BIAS, the Celestions sound articulate, louder, and notably bright. That isn't really good or bad, necessarily, but it probably requires you to go back and revisit your output and EQ settings when you switch to one of the Celestions. There are some amps (particularly of the "British" variety) I could imagine benefiting from this IAP, and others where the stock cabs would be equal/better.
BIAS FX/PEDAL:
Some time ago, I had purchased a few of the classic drive effects in FX, and I downloaded Pedal but bought nothing previously. I unlocked some vintage pedals from FX and bought the $10 Distortion pedal unlock (which allows you then to import any BIAS PEDAL drive effect created by the community - and there are a ton - and use them in BIAS FX). I immediately started playing around and remembered that the BIAS FX pedals were really good! I just abandoned the whole thing because I didn't have good enough iPad processing power before to use BIAS AMP reliably, and it seemed like 3 different amps that didn't work well together. But I found that there were some bass amp tones that were full-sounding and responsive, unlike anything ever offered by ToneStack, JamUp Pro, or the other options. And some of them took the drive effects really well, comparable to what you'd expect as someone accustomed to stacking real-life pedals and experimenting with the signal chain.
OVERALL NOTES:
My biggest disappointment so far has been with the user-generated ToneCloud amps, and trying to get all of this different content to work well together. Many of the "custom amps" in BIAS AMP are WAY too hot to use for any meaningful recording purpose. I think this was done on purpose by the community because the original BIAS app was on an island, and you were limited to the gain and output of the stock amps. This led people to overcompensate by making amps that behaved like pedals - they offer so much gain and output that I found myself having to dramatically screw with the input and output levels, and the MASTER on the amp was around "2". Otherwise they would clip and become unusable. Even worse, if you tried to throw an FX pedal into one of the imported custom amps, it would go even more crazy.
But I actually like a lot of the stock BIAS amps, both by themselves and as "pedal platforms" for other FX. The Dumble Clean and Plexiglass work great for this, as do the various Blackface Fender options.
BIAS isn't going to make me give up guitar pedals altogether, but for practicing and recording (which is really ALL I do anyway), there are ton things you can do with the BIAS effects setups that you could not do reliably with real-life pedals unless you spent a ton of money. An example of this is setting up a stereo signal path with dotted-eighth-plus-quarter note delay (and modulation) to do an "Edge" sound. Not only is it easy to set up (and experiment with different amp types), but all of the delay effects sync to BPM, which is the type of thing you could only do with a very expensive delay pedal. And the BIAS PEDAL library has some recreations of "boutique" effects like the JHS Morning Glory and various Klons. I doubt these sound exactly like the original, but I thought they sounded...really good!
Sorry for the additional length, but I left a bunch of negative comments last week, so I wanted to provide some more-informed ones after actually using the stuff a bit.
I still want to do an A-B comparison from the old Bias Amp on my Air 2 to Bias Amp 2 on my iPad Pro. I think they screwed it up. I finally got my cabinets working again by uninstalling and reinstalling the app. I couldn’t figure out how I transferred my preset from before, so I ended up just using tonecloud. I’m not much of a guitar player, but Bias Amp was my main of playing when I do. Bias Amp plus AUv3 effects as I don’t need it to look like a pedal. After this mess, I’m definitely not throwing any money to them. I’m just hoping it can work like it was.
I wish I could get the first reverb they used on the original Bias app. It was just a bit of room and sounded great. I’ve tried tweaking the new reverb but can’t seem to find that old sound.
I’m enjoying 2.0 and the Celestian Classic cabs. I’m very tempted to get the new blues amps IAP, but I’m going to wait for a sale on that.
I upgraded on both my iPad and my MacBook Pro and have loved it from day 1!!!! The new matched tones that come with it have really energized my playing. I mostly use BIAS FX with the new matched tones imported from Bias Amp2 on my MBP. I was about to buy a Mesa Boogies Mark V 25 and have decided to hold off for now as I am still enthralled with the new features and tones in Bias Amp 2.