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$329 iPad 2018 Faster than iPad Pro 2nd Gen for Music Production?

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  • @bleep said:
    I have the 2018 iPad, and a single Model D in AUM may give you the crackling sound. Embrace it like vinyl!

    Weird. I get two Model D in AUM on my 2017 with no problem. CPU gets up into 75% with no crackles.

  • edited May 2018

    This discussion is just maddening. (In a funny but tragic way). There are so many factors that affect performance. Even something as simple as leaving the YouTube app in the background can introduce significant strain on audio performance. (Oops, I know I have done it)

    I think we need an audio engineer at geekbench to join our cause and do some real benchmarks ;) :+1:

  • Well for anecdotal testing I recommend a reboot first or hold down the power button and when the shutdown screen appears hold down the home button until you are back on the home screen, which does a memory wipe. As good as rebooting apparently, but quicker.

  • edited May 2018

    I talked to the Devs after I seen this

    Like I said I use it for my youtube videos so 120ghz ipad and 120ghz TV

  • The only reason I chose a 12.9” iPad Pro is to read sheet music. That’s literally the only reason, as I could do EVERYTHING ELSE on a 2018 iPad with 128gb and the 2TB subscription to iCloud.

  • There are several key benefits to the Pro Models:

    1. Extra Screen size (but laying the 2018 horizontally and using a page/scroll foot pedal works for me)
    2. 4GB of RAM vs 2GB (and a lack of RAM causes the crackling - I'm eager to see what gets announced at the WWDC June 4 - current/late model iPhones offer 3GB of RAM)
    3. Pen behavior - the Pros track the pen like ink on paper and feel like paper while the 2018 lags and feels un-like paper using cheaper glass.

    I'm not sure about battery life benefits but I bought a 30,000 mAH battery unit to allow me to run iPad/iPhone and a MIDI controller for several hours using the Lightning Port on the Camera Adapter or the Micro-USB on the Korg PlugKey)

    Frankly, the Gorilla glass iPad's are probably too slippery for me. I need a Kid proof rubber case with a neck strap to avoid dropping it too many times.

  • @futureaztec said:
    I was thinking about it today. What do you do if you are apple and you are making something and it turns out to be faster than some other build you designed a couple of years ago, just because of timing, dev teams, part price changes etc. If you release something that is faster than something someone just bought a month ago, you will piss them off.

    Any company in this situation would have to either wait a year or two release the new technology, or somehow cripple the new device with firmware. Right? Not saying this is the case, but if it was the case what the heck would you do if you were in charge? You have already made the manufacturing orders and the things are coming off the line.

    The rule in computing has been:

    1. Wait and next year there will be something faster at the same or lower price (In reality it takes 2-3 years to get the next product out). The Apple Wold Wide Dev Conf on June 4th will likely have an upgrade to the 12" Pro model.

    Companies don't wait... they just try to let it slip so people will not delay buying just before an announcement. Customer anger is a given when you make them feel bad for buying early. I had to buy something in early May so I went with the best value/$ and got the 2018 even tho' I really covet the 4GB of RAM.

    The new iPhone chip will blow the doors off the current models and there might be an iPad chip that hasn't been disclosed or leaked yet. All the goodness comes from the Chips and extra hardware features that do Graphics, etc.

    The software guys just write new code to the newest Chip and then test to make sure it works 1-2 generations back. Ay some point they cut off a chip and the iPad 2 gets lost with IOS 9 lockdown and some developers stop porting to the user base.

  • @Hmtx said:
    This discussion is just maddening. (In a funny but tragic way). There are so many factors that affect performance. Even something as simple as leaving the YouTube app in the background can introduce significant strain on audio performance. (Oops, I know I have done it)

    I think we need an audio engineer at geekbench to join our cause and do some real benchmarks ;) :+1:

    We don't need an audio engineer but we'd obviously benefot from one. I posted a request for input on benchmarking my new 2018 iPad and didn't get a single reply. I was anticipating trading in the 2018 for the 10.7 inch Pro model before my 14 day trial period ended. But I decided the 2018 works for me for most tasks with the 2GB limit. So, I dropped the plan to upgrade.

    We CAN agree on a benchmark protocol and have the community here run and validate results. Something like:

    1. reboot the iPad/iPhone
    2. start AUM (or audiobus3 as a courtesy to our forum hosts)
    3. start one or more specific Apps until cracking is noticed.
    4. driving App with a given MIDI file or load generator we can all use would also help make the results "Apples to Apples".

    Is anyone interested in defining and running the benchmark colaboratively on multiple systems with varying RAM?

  • edited May 2018

    I'm actually setting up an iPad 2018 today (128gb wifi model) to give to my 10 year old daughter since her iPad 4 broke. My main tablet is the iPad Pro 2 12.9. I'd be glad to do some music-related benchmarks between the two and post the results if you like.

    Got any other requests for particular tasks I could put the machines through? I'll ty McDtracy's suggestions. I have most of the popular AU hosts and a large variety of instruments and effects.

  • @brambos said:
    Not sure if someone mentioned it already, but there's also the matter of single-core/multi-core performance. Sure, in terms of single core performance the 2018 and the Pro'17 may almost be close, but the Pro eats the regular iPad for breakfast when it comes to multi-core performance. :)

    This is why the article is inaccurate and not true when it comes to for example music production.

  • @rthr said:
    This is why the article is inaccurate and not true when it comes to for example music production.

    Actually it seems as though the problem gets compounded with music production because the graphics processing appears to disrupt the audio processing on the iPad Pro 2nd Gen.

  • I’m thinking about saving for the larger iPad simply so I can see the thing properly lol

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I’m thinking about saving for the larger iPad simply so I can see the thing properly lol

    One like this perhaps ?

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I’m thinking about saving for the larger iPad simply so I can see the thing properly lol

    One like this perhaps ?

    That’s the model! Even got large enough areas around the screen to put a coffee cup on!

  • I quite don't know how Apple has ****ed up iOS so hard that a new iPad Pro has issues with Model D.

    I have to admit that i have no crackles at all with Model D, using an old iPad Air 1 (iOS 10.33).

    LOL

  • I’m used to iOS dodgy stuff. I had problems with Thor and my Air2 from day one. The problem lasted so long, that by the time all seemed well, I no longer had the desire to use it. Some things on iOS like all computer stuff - ‘just don’t work’ (remember all the Apple - it just works adds?).

  • @Looping_Loddar said:
    I quite don't know how Apple has ****ed up iOS so hard that a new iPad Pro has issues with Model D.

    I have to admit that i have no crackles at all with Model D, using an old iPad Air 1 (iOS 10.33).

    The iPad Pro does not have problems running Model D. Not sure where you read that.

  • I keep referring folks to your Battery thread cause by doing a lot of the tweaks on there, my iPad 2017 is running sooo smoothly I can even have four AU instances of Addictive Synth Pro running and recorded without a single glitch.

    Biggest tweak, disabled every thing and anything having to do with Siri on iPad. Locked up settings in Settings so they will not change and bam, great performance returns.

  • @MusicMan4Christ said:
    I keep referring folks to your Battery thread cause by doing a lot of the tweaks on there, my iPad 2017 is running sooo smoothly I can even have four AU instances of Addictive Synth Pro running and recorded without a single glitch.

    Biggest tweak, disabled every thing and anything having to do with Siri on iPad. Locked up settings in Settings so they will not change and bam, great performance returns.

    I think it’s funny that Apple keep putting all these extra settings and fancy graphics things on iOS and us music types want everything simpler and turn off as much as we can ;)

  • Yeah, seems like we’re always doing the old Windows 98 SE song and dance teleworking away for every bit of cpu juice; when will this ever stop. Honestly I thought IOS would change this but it didn’t. At least the iPad is a closed system and every thing just works together well.

  • edited May 2018

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @MusicMan4Christ said:
    I keep referring folks to your Battery thread cause by doing a lot of the tweaks on there, my iPad 2017 is running sooo smoothly I can even have four AU instances of Addictive Synth Pro running and recorded without a single glitch.

    Biggest tweak, disabled every thing and anything having to do with Siri on iPad. Locked up settings in Settings so they will not change and bam, great performance returns.

    I think it’s funny that Apple keep putting all these extra settings and fancy graphics things on iOS and us music types want everything simpler and turn off as much as we can ;)

    Just like gamers do....turn off all the crap I ain't interested in :) In fact I think Microsoft got so used to this they put a slider in the setting for Look Nice/Good performance balance :D

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @MusicMan4Christ said:
    I keep referring folks to your Battery thread cause by doing a lot of the tweaks on there, my iPad 2017 is running sooo smoothly I can even have four AU instances of Addictive Synth Pro running and recorded without a single glitch.

    Biggest tweak, disabled every thing and anything having to do with Siri on iPad. Locked up settings in Settings so they will not change and bam, great performance returns.

    I think it’s funny that Apple keep putting all these extra settings and fancy graphics things on iOS and us music types want everything simpler and turn off as much as we can ;)

    Just like gamers do....turn off all the crap I ain't interested in :)

    Yep speed before graphics all day long

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @MusicMan4Christ said:
    I keep referring folks to your Battery thread cause by doing a lot of the tweaks on there, my iPad 2017 is running sooo smoothly I can even have four AU instances of Addictive Synth Pro running and recorded without a single glitch.

    Biggest tweak, disabled every thing and anything having to do with Siri on iPad. Locked up settings in Settings so they will not change and bam, great performance returns.

    I think it’s funny that Apple keep putting all these extra settings and fancy graphics things on iOS and us music types want everything simpler and turn off as much as we can ;)

    Just like gamers do....turn off all the crap I ain't interested in :)

    Yep speed before graphics all day long

    I think the Cafe Racers were the first to adopt this strategy :)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Café_racer

  • edited May 2018

    I guess apple is just responding to the communities desire to have a more traditional experience on iPads :D

  • 4GB of RAM is BETTER than 2GB of RAM .........
    IPAD PRO ......all day!

  • allocation is key!

  • @AnimalHeadSpirit said:
    I'm actually setting up an iPad 2018 today (128gb wifi model) to give to my 10 year old daughter since her iPad 4 broke. My main tablet is the iPad Pro 2 12.9. I'd be glad to do some music-related benchmarks between the two and post the results if you like.

    Got any other requests for particular tasks I could put the machines through? I'll ty McDtracy's suggestions. I have most of the popular AU hosts and a large variety of instruments and effects.

    Please share the process you use so your results can be independently validated and repeat as new products are released.

    1. reboot the iPad
    2. start audiobus3 (as a courtesy to our hosts)
    3. launch parallel App(s) until crackling is detected.
    4. MAYBE REPEAT THIS STEP WITH USERS REQUESTING DIFFERENT PAYLOADS. "thesoundtestroom" owns all the apps so maybe he can become a definitive "benchmark" resource and be funded via Patreon and folks like you and me can validate his results or extend them with variant payloads.
    5. Publish the point at which the payload produces "crackling" that might cause the "punters" to leave the venue.

    NOTE: It appears there are system settings that should be modified (or maybe IOS Rev levels should also be tested and documented so new releases get re-validated.

    Apple coders of IOS probably don't see this small "use case" to be the main driver of their efforts. They aim to please the largest audience of loyal consumers of Apples products:

    Comments like "I quite don't know how Apple has ****ed up iOS so hard" are preaching to a pretty small if passionate crowd here.

    In the end, Android (or a really open OS) will win the day because a smart coder can tweak it to solve these "crackling" problems and make the hardware really "sing". I can't wait for that day... until then I'm using the platform what has the most Apps I enjoy using.

  • @AnimalHeadSpirit said:
    I'm actually setting up an iPad 2018 today (128gb wifi model) to give to my 10 year old daughter since her iPad 4 broke. My main tablet is the iPad Pro 2 12.9. I'd be glad to do some music-related benchmarks between the two and post the results if you like.

    Got any other requests for particular tasks I could put the machines through? I'll ty McDtracy's suggestions. I have most of the popular AU hosts and a large variety of instruments and effects.

    Please share the process you use so your results can be independently validated and repeat as new products are released.

    1. reboot the iPad
    2. start audiobus3 (as a courtesy to our hosts)
    3. launch parallel App(s) until crackling is detected.
    4. MAYBE REPEAT THIS STEP WITH USERS REQUESTING DIFFERENT PAYLOADS. "thesoundtestroom" owns all the apps so maybe he can become a definitive "benchmark" resource and be funded via Patreon and folks like you and me can validate his results or extend them with variant payloads.
    5. Publish the point at which the payload produces "crackling" that might cause the "punters" to leave the venue.

    NOTE: It appears there are system settings that should be modified (or maybe IOS Rev levels should also be tested and documented so new releases get re-validated.

    Apple coders of IOS probably don't see this small "use case" to be the main driver of their efforts. They aim to please the largest audience of loyal consumers of Apples products:

    Comments like "I quite don't know how Apple has ****ed up iOS so hard" are preaching to a pretty small if passionate crowd here.

    In the end, Android (or a really open OS) will win the day because a smart coder can tweak it to solve these "crackling" problems and make the hardware really "sing". I can't wait for that day... until then I'm using the platform what has the most Apps I enjoy using.

  • edited November 2018

    Heloo, i just bought an iPad Pro 2018 3rd gen. I turned off app activity in background, and turned off 120hz, rebooted the iPad, started AUM, and instances of model d with different patches, not the simple ones. With 6 instances playing the same time from same keyboard it reached 84 - 90% with no problem, the seventh made it crackle and 100- 102%.
    I opened safari, and went back to AUM, then it had some crackle with 6 instances, but not huge problem.

    I just thought I should share, I can maby do more to optimise, but this is so far what I do before doing music.
    Side note, I don’t think moog model d is the most optimised synth app out there.

  • edited November 2018

    @bobbfett said:
    Heloo, i just bought an iPad Pro 2018 3rd gen. I turned off app activity in background, and turned off 120hz, rebooted the iPad, started AUM, and instances of model d with different patches, not the simple ones. With 6 instances playing the same time from same keyboard it reached 84 - 90% with no problem, the seventh made it crackle and 100- 102%.
    I opened safari, and went back to AUM, then it had some crackle with 6 instances, but not huge problem.

    I just thought I should share, I can maby do more to optimise, but this is so far what I do before doing music.
    Side note, I don’t think moog model d is the most optimised synth app out there.

    Care to share the buffer size for this test?
    One of the most important aspect for this type of testing.

    Edit: would you please do the same test and compare cpu difference for AU UI visible vs AU closed

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