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Is Caustic still great in the current gen?
I've never tried it. It seems kinda cool and gadgety if I'm not mistaken? Is it still worth the 10 bucks these days with everything we have available?
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I love caustic. That said, I don’t use it, at all anymore. The fact that one guy made it is impressive. It’s very useable, sounds nice and is fun. Some people swear by it and use it all the time.
Try it out for free and see for yourself. It's free on Mac/pc.
I haven’t used it in a while but I recently downloaded it to remix something I did a few years ago. The project opened with no issues. Everything just as I left it.
It also has an excellent wav editor with time stretch. It has its quirks but no deal breakers as far as I’m concerned. No audio tracks but that’s not something I need.
And a nice vocoder.
Am I missing something here? Littlewoodg posted "Why I Prefer Caustic to Gadget" ( see pg 4 on the General forum ) and got 9,000 views! Seems to be some interest in it.
It’s still great and EXTREMELY capable. But it is a standalone type app. The only reason I don’t use it all the time is I’m not a fan of the song arrangement paradigm that it uses. But that’s just me, don’t let it stop you
It's already worth it for the wav editor alone. Caustic is my best friend when I need to retune samples.
It's main drawback is the file management. Also it doesn't do IAA very well. You can try recording other synths into it via Audiobus but that will invariably crash the app. Audioshare will import sounds into it just fine however. As a standalone, you will get a lot out of it, especially working with the builtin synths and FX. The Supersaw is very good, as is the FM synth and even the 303 bass synth. The developer could have done what Brambos did by releasing the synths as separate AUs, but he's moved on to something else evidently. Worth the tenner if you aren't all in for the big spending on Gadget.
no, as it truly is an island. no syncing with the outside world. if there was Link it would be great though...
Still indispensable. It’s modular synth is the most powerful thing in it, and can be used to power up its other synths as well (e.g. run the SubSynth into an instance of the modular so as to pass it through the Modular’s ladder filter - all of a sudden the subsynth has all the oomph you could want.) the sampler instrument gives you the use of all the sound fonts you can Hoover up*. If you record in linear (Song) mode, you can be recording a separate external midi sequencer app into each track at the same time, live (e.g. Xynthesizr into track 1, quantum into track two, Gestrument into track three, whatever) and capture a real jam in the piano rolls. (It’s true that starting each of those externals on their own is challenging). It cannot record incoming pitch bend information but has its own way of composing pitch bends in the piano roll which once you get the hang of it enables very intricate figuration to be written.
*one caveat on soundfonts - elaborate soundfonts with multiple velocity layers will not be recognized as such - caustic will just deploy the samples of one layer. This has only rarely gotten me into trouble though.
Needs Ableton link imho
Like anything else, use it for what it does now (which is a lot). I’d be very surprised to see any further development.
Link, IAA/midi sync , IAA panel ,a working AB iphone panel are missing. Great app , slow development
Don’t hold your breath.
I felt it was great when I bought it , but not so much now, compared to todays offerings. 2 things that Id like to see is files support so you don't need a computer or ftp app to get stems from it, and to be able to make patterns longer than 8 bars long, at least 16 bars, but even with those updates I probably wouldn't use it anymore than I do now, which is not at all, because I have other Daws that fit my needs better. Id say its the closest you'll come to Reason on IOS, but its limited to 14 tracks. Is it still worth 10 bucks though? i think so.
I started my iOS music journey on it last year and found it’s great to learn how to work within limitations (2 fx slots per channel etc). As others have mentioned, the wav editor is probably worth the money alone. Also the tutorial videos in the docs are by far the best I’ve seen for any software ever. The way he succinctly explains what everything does is great and helps with other software.
Just a shame dev has stopped. I’ve moved to fl studio mobile.
For workflow and ease of getting something done quickly (in my ever more limited music time) Caustic and FLSM are my go-to apps. Now that FL Studio 20 is out I hope FLSM will see more love and move forward. It’s very close for my needs.
I wouldn’t expect much change. They’re completely separate development teams I believe.
Not from what I’ve heard.
Yep Mr Claster seems to be the go to (at least one of them) for 20 and Mobile
It would be great if the folks at IL could give FLSM's horrible UI, a facelift. It currently looks like a bunch of geometric lines, flat/2D boxes and circular knobs with candy/flashy colors moving around with NO personality to itself. It has hideous semicircle buttons pointing out of its edges and transport controls sitting on the keyboard (instead of all on a toolbar or two on the top) and its quality is in stark contrast to their cool desktop app. Since the app is already functional, sprucing up its UI is just a quick cosmetic work and should be cake! They just need a UI/UX designer to make those final/finishing touches.
I dig the FLSM GUI. To each his own I spoze.
I was just referring to the contrast in quality of FLSM to their desktop app - just look at the 3D, awesome fonts, cool colors, personality - you can touch and feel the UI:
FL Studio 12
FL Studio 20
Even GarageBand with flat iOS 7 UI has some 3D personality to itself.
Technology has evolved over decades. As an analogy, cartoon movies used to be 2D like Tom and Jerry on a CD, later became 3D cartoons with Who Framed Roger Rabbit and further evolved into modern, shiny animated movies that will fit only on a DVD or a higher capacity disk for their size. IL has the quality - FLSM is their first-cut and I'm positive they will spruce it up.
There’s a new version of flsm apparently being released this weekend, as long as there aren’t any show stopping bugs
FLSM was built to be cross platform meaning it runs as a VST on the PC and it ought to run on Android as well. Cross platform apps always tend to give UI design the least priority in service of compatiblility with different screen dimensions and resolutions.
Ugly UI is also why I never purchased this despite how good it may sound or perform.
I agree with you about the beauty of the desktop. (and it continues to get better looking, and smarter, GUI wise, certainly since 10 when I first bought in). As a side/side note the new FL 20 is the reason I’m not doing much work in iOS lately...
But I don’t mind flat, un-skeumorphic style in iOS apps, even as brutalist as MultiTrackStudio. I think partly because in my ignorance I feel as if precious processing resources are better spent on functionality. Not a hard and fast rule, but in the case of FLSM, I think the simplicity of the graphics works well with the feature packed one-screen work area. They may indeed spruce it up, I’ll be interested to see what they do.
(interesting to note here that the plugins - fx and synths - in FL have been getting new GUIs, one by one, and that the direction they’re going in is flat, and colorless.)
@Littlewoodg So 20 is all that, eh? Big step up from the previous.....(thinking of the boy here etc).
Yes. its still great.
I think I’m just catching up with what the kids and kid-at-heart have known for a while, and 20 is just more of that. My teen daughter and her rapper boyfriend, my DJ neighbor up the street, the Kiwi rockstar next door...
Not to mention it seems to do every fucking thing imaginable, including a performance mode on tablet...(which has been available since 11, apparently, as I said I’m just catching up.)
My two cents for Drippy. (My apologies if I repeat a point someone else made. Just have no time to read through this thread at this time.)
Caustic is extremely great at handling samples with its PCM synth. The wave editor rivals that of Twisted Wave and Hokusai. That modular synth is gold and a great intro to more advanced modular synthesis (as well as a clever way to expand effects slots/create busses). That vocoder is INCREDIBLE (and is easier to use than Sparkle, Advanced Cross Synthesis, although I LOVE the latter). The swing parameter can adjust 16th notes AND 8th notes, and not only can push them forward like a traditional swing setting but also pull them backwards! It also can play back soundfonts in the PCM synth. Only thing that rivals that is bs-16i.
You can import samples directly from Audioshare. File management for exporting is a bit of a bitch if you don’t have iTunes on a PC/Mac. Hopefully once Rej is off his hiatus, he’ll implement Files support for us on iOS given Android already had a files system long before our iOS 11.
Also, you’re not limited to just using pattern blocks. You can freely sequence in the sequencer itself if you wish, lending itself quite nicely to ametric pieces where clips of audio are triggered in the PCM synth. That’s just the tip of the iceburg.