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Need help or direction,ideas.
So after battling back from some health issues, and other things, I can no longer sit at my desktop to do music. So I’m back to 100% iPad usage. What I’m struggling with and I know it’s been talked about is I really miss the liner DAW.... I have them all(Auria,Cubasis,BM3,GARAGEBAND,Gadget.). I can’t find a workflow that will allow me to get anything done. For example,I have a nice little deal going on in AUM, but what do I do with that? I am so tired of being the king of 8 bar loops. Do I somehow export the stems in AUM as audio and try to stitch that together in something? Types of music that I do would be ambient, slower techno-trance. Maybe I’m being too hard on myself. I’m am just really struggling with having all these tools and not figuring a way to make them work.
Chaz.
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Play a few different 8-bar loops in a nice sequence and you can have a great song
What's the matter with Auria,Cubasis? Auria is my main DAW. It crashes too much for comform but as it's the best workflow for me on iOS I stick with it.
I jam out in AUM, and record anything sounding ok. I then listen through and find a few recordings that will work together, and then grab parts from these and combine them. To pull it together, so it doesn’t sound like a load of random bits, I’ll add overdubs on top - lead synth pieces or ambience for example.
Sometimes the overdubbing takes over, inspired by the jams underneath, and I end up deleting the original jam parts.
I do the editing on desktop now, but before I used Auria which is perfectly up for the job.
Yeah you definitely have the tools to make decent full pieces of music with what you have. I too get stuck with fleshing out initial ideas. I work in a similar way to MonzoPro above, but probably less successfully.
So, what’s our problems? Well, I believe this is quite common for some people in this day and age due to many people making music alone. In the days or yore, we mostly made music in bands or at least in studios where there was at least another pair of ears there! Working alone is difficult for some. Many of us such as myself, will probably never master it (or have at least decided we don’t want to lol). It’s hard to teach old dogs new tricks (as the saying goes).
Concentration is difficult at best. Look how easier it is for many to jam out a lead line, but try keeping concentration when keeping a bass line going - it takes much more discipline for some. So, as working alone musicians, we have to not only concentrate on keeping that vibe going, we also become the sole creative force.
Some people love the autonomy, the creative control all in their sticky fingers. No arguments. No compromises. Many however (and however skilful they may be), need to work alongside others. Some come alive and creativity sparks from them when they have other people sharing the process. We after all, are mostly social beings.
Obviously, like myself, you suffer from health issues that may make social music making more difficult. I am often in my bedroom or on my couch while making music and to be honest, I’ve had to come to terms with knowing that there is very little I can really do to change my situation (shrugs).
On a more positive note, I’ve learnt to enjoy the process of making music more. No longer do I care if I ever finish anything beyond those 8 to 16 bars. Shit, sometimes I make over 100 bar meandering jams that will never get listened to again. I enjoy it all though. I enjoy the process and that becomes my end result
This! This is pure love
I have been in the very same boat of relying on the couch/ipad as much as possible. i actually did get a 40ft usb and monitor cable, a little cart and a monitor stand that lets me use the desktop on the couch now too fairly comfortably but I still do prefer the quick lack of physical setup and portability of just the ipad.
Anyway, getting to know BM3 has been the key for me. Just putting in the time and building up that muscle memory for the UI takes quite a while but is worth it. There are still some automation issues that trip me up at times (split a clip, lose your automation, !?) but aparently the next update is a biggee. Anyway, chopping and arranging audio is my highest pririty and I just don’t see anything else coming down or evolving that will replace it for me.
Aside from genre what would be your priority in terms of creative tools that give you a buzz?
PS. Tried Synthmaster One in BM3?
Gus.... we might have chatted about this before. Maybe I should just stick with Bm3 and learn the shi$ out of it. I guess I want to be able to fully automate a lot of parameters, be able to save all my settings in my projects. I just am so comfortable with the old desktop daw that I just need to move on. Cheers!
You should join the Intua forum too!
I'll add my $0.02 here for what it's worth.
For a bit of background - I've had some beats I put together back in iMaschine that I wanted to do something with. The short version is that I have had them for the last four years and yesterday I actually finished a song.
For real. 100% done.
The process of getting them done was long and convoluted, but let me lay out the process and a few observations that may help. Here are the steps I took over 4 years:
1) Created beats in iMaschine
2) Imported them into iMaschine 2 when that was released and fleshed them out to have 4 songs "parts" (i.e. verse, chorus, bridge, etc.)
3) Exported them into a pirated version of Maschine
4) Exported the individual tracks as MIDI files
5) Imported those MIDI files into Auria Pro when it was released
6) Recreated the same tune 4-5 times in Auria due to crashes, file corruptions, etc. Finally gave up on Auria
7) Imported a couple of the files into Xequence and set that up to play AUM but wasn't 100%
8) For the one tune I was piloting (and struggling with), I recorded the Xequence/AUM performance in AUM and imported the audio tracks into Cubasis, along with the original MIDI files
9) Dialed in all the instrument tones and some basic effects in Cubasis
10) Bounced down the audio and re-imported the audio back into Auria
11) Mixed the instruments in Auria
12) Bounced the instrument mix down and re-imported back into Auria for vocals
13) Finished producing the vox and mixing the final track in Auria
14) Exported to Final Touch to master
A couple of notes - obviously I wouldn't do all this now as some of these apps weren't available in the beginning, AUv3 changed the game, Auria Pro was released, etc. The iPad grew up enormously as a production tool in the 4 years I was screwing around.
The main point here is that once I let go of trying to do things all in one place (a single DAW host for example) the whole thing became infinitely simpler. I accepted that Cubasis is where it's at for MIDI tracking, Auria is the best for audio mixing, etc. Now that I understand that concept, I don't have the production road-blocks I used to. I'm not struggling to make my old process fit with apps that don't work that way.
Do I have my beefs about iOS music making? Absolutely
Is this my ideal workflow? Definitely not
But - I could either sit around bitching about it and being mad, or I could deal with it and actually finish something.
And I did finish something. I really did. For real. No fooling..... I DO make music, not just videos...
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FWIW, Chaz, I have had much the same experience, and now do very little sitting at a PC. Discovering music making on IOS stopped me from going completely bonkers, while recovering from major surgery in 2017.
For my band ‘Repulse the Monkey’ I write lyrics, add a bit of music and often master the tracks. Our main DAW is Auria Pro, using the Fab Filters IAP’s. Not cheap by IOS standards, but widely regarded as being the best. We also make great use of Blocs Wave, matching material from sample packs with stuff we record in ourselves. This is then sequenced in AP. Also make great use of AUM.
Check us out on BandCamp, if you want to hear what noises we make.
I hope it gives you encouragement if I explain that my contributions to our first album ‘Artificial Music For Artificial Times’ was recorded almost entirely from bed, at a time when I was being visited by District Nurses twice a day, and spent a maximum of three hours a day out of bed.
IOS is your friend, and this is a great community with many people who will help and encourage you. Good luck.
Great learning tips and experiences here
Persistence is the clue, don't be fooled by an initial impression of a GUI.
(reminds me on my first view of Pro Tools 5: 'wtf - THAT is called industry standard ?')
As much as I dislike Auria Pro's layout and edit approach, I agree on the quality of it's FabFilter IAPs.
Pro-L2 became quite famous here, but Pro-R is not to be underestimated.
Imho it a allows efficient tailoring of the virtual room characteristics over a wide range. Add EOS2 and AD480 and you have a fairly versatile reverb collection.
I wouldn't rely too much on (complete) automation for the purpose of total recall.
A track may develope into other directions than originally planned and then likely requires different parameter handling anyway.
Have you tried just working in GarageBand from start to finish? It's got most things you need to create a track all in one place:
I think it's easy to overlook just how good GarageBand is, but it's well worth writing a few tracks with it to get a feel for what it can do.
Thanks for some of the thoughts and ideas. I think one thing is that I’m afraid to render out anything to audio. Meaning I might have a nice midi synth baseline going and I’m constantly tweaking it. I should just get something how I like it and render it out and move on.
Saving banks in Bm3 with patterns means it can be audio in the current session but you can load the source back in if you want to take another pass at it. This workflow layer is now the second stage i am trying to learn/develop better now that gui is more or less under wraps now.
Wait a freaking min. You mean I can have a 8 bar pattern with let’s say Zeeon with effects and some whatever. And I can save that bank with the pattern??? Wtf how is this magic
Hmmmmm just figured this out. I kept hitting load pattern, but it would not load until I dragged out that time in the song mode if that makes sense. Thanks for the tip Gus.
Yes, GB is a fun instrument. I hope Apple resolves the bugs which they introduced into it lately.
Constantly tweaking is a recipe for never finishing anything IMO: commit and be ruthless.
Not only that, but write several bass lines and delete most of them. That way way only the best survive.
So true!
Yah it is nice for when you go down a rabbit hole on a session and have something good going on one bank but completely messed up some other banks. I am trying to be more reckless and creative now with this.