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On D’fence: AUM vs ApeMatrix

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  • kinkujinkinkujin

    Does Rozeta work well in both?

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    @mAxjUlien said:

    I think there is a huge opportunity for guys like @Daveypoo @thesoundtestroom @jakoB_haQ or any other of our resident video pros to do an in depth overview of what’s possible as it relates to workflows in AB3, AUM and now ApeM.

    I’m still confused about what is redundant And what compliments what. Why in hell one would need all three, etc. I’m sure many others are interested as well. Reading and seeing two different things.

    I ended up getting both as well. ApeMatrix blows my mind, the possibilities. AUM is like a rock. Really great progs and thanks to @MonzoPro for recommending AUM.

    What I fail to suss out by this thread though is why you would want to use them both together at the same time? Is it for the LFO control (which I haven't broken into just yet) or is there some other voodoo wizardry I'm missing out on? Great thread.

  • JanosaxJanosax
    edited September 2018

    @kinkujin said:

    @mAxjUlien said:

    I think there is a huge opportunity for guys like @Daveypoo @thesoundtestroom @jakoB_haQ or any other of our resident video pros to do an in depth overview of what’s possible as it relates to workflows in AB3, AUM and now ApeM.

    I’m still confused about what is redundant And what compliments what. Why in hell one would need all three, etc. I’m sure many others are interested as well. Reading and seeing two different things.

    I ended up getting both as well. ApeMatrix blows my mind, the possibilities. AUM is like a rock. Really great progs and thanks to @MonzoPro for recommending AUM.

    What I fail to suss out by this thread though is why you would want to use them both together at the same time? Is it for the LFO control (which I haven't broken into just yet) or is there some other voodoo wizardry I'm missing out on? Great thread.

    AUM is great to use with apeMatrix for recording in AUM synced audio loops from ApeM, using Link. That’s main purpose/scenario IMO.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    If AUM got built in parameter motion I am not sure I would have much use for ApeMatrix if I’m honest. I am really hoping one of the AU hosts bring in AU parameter randomization. That will be a big one for me.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @kinkujin said:

    @mAxjUlien said:

    I think there is a huge opportunity for guys like @Daveypoo @thesoundtestroom @jakoB_haQ or any other of our resident video pros to do an in depth overview of what’s possible as it relates to workflows in AB3, AUM and now ApeM.

    I’m still confused about what is redundant And what compliments what. Why in hell one would need all three, etc. I’m sure many others are interested as well. Reading and seeing two different things.

    I ended up getting both as well. ApeMatrix blows my mind, the possibilities. AUM is like a rock. Really great progs and thanks to @MonzoPro for recommending AUM.

    What I fail to suss out by this thread though is why you would want to use them both together at the same time? Is it for the LFO control (which I haven't broken into just yet) or is there some other voodoo wizardry I'm missing out on? Great thread.

    Haven't got ApeMatrix yet, as I'm still to be convinced that I personally would have a use for it when I already have AUM.

    AUM is probably in the top three useful/used apps for me though. Even when I'm using 'standalone' apps, I still end up routing them through AUM and adding extra AU's for a bit of sparkle.

  • ProtoProto

    @kinkujin said:
    Does Rozeta work well in both?

    ApeMatrix feels like it’s made for Rozeta. It’s incredible how easy and fast you can lfo and fine-tune the sliders like pitch, velocity, spread etc. When i try to do the same automation using AUM I got lost in the spaghetti (adding a chain of channels with Rozeta LFO’s) and lost another hour instead of a few minutes. For live use and/or stand-alone I think AUM is a better choice.

  • JanosaxJanosax
    edited September 2018

    @Proto said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Does Rozeta work well in both?

    ApeMatrix feels like it’s made for Rozeta. It’s incredible how easy and fast you can lfo and fine-tune the sliders like pitch, velocity, spread etc. When i try to do the same automation using AUM I got lost in the spaghetti (adding a chain of channels with Rozeta LFO’s) and lost another hour instead of a few minutes. For live use and/or stand-alone I think AUM is a better choice.

    I agree with that, I also use a lot ApeM with Rozeta, while using AUM mostly for my live mixing needs.

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    AUM is a marvelous piece of software but it can be be even better if it ever had the following features :

    • possibility to duplicate a channel (or copy-paste) - very usefull if I want to load 5 instances of a synth
    • Hide/unhide all AU windows on the screen so that I can easily access the faders
    • Record the AU windows positions

    What else ?

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    AU parameter motion.
    AU parameter randomization.

    Would be my dream machine then!

    Already an amazing app.

  • DchildDchild

    Apematix just clicked for me, I find myself creating amazing sounds by doing things that simply aren’t possible in AUM. BTW I have both.

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    @Dchild said:
    Apematix just clicked for me, I find myself creating amazing sounds by doing things that simply aren’t possible in AUM. BTW I have both.

    I find myself thinking of music in a different way thanks to this app. It kind of turned my thinking on its head and for that I'm very grateful to the dev.

  • SheffieldBleepSheffieldBleep

    @Carnbot said:

    @Daveypoo said:

    I had considered using Matrix 1 for sound generators, Matrix 2 for sequencers and Matrix 3 for effects, but I realized you can't do that as there isn't a full matrix to patch between the all three Matrices.

    sure you can do that as mentioned earlier, you can use the a + b midi bus to send the sequencers to the others Matrices, it's a bit more limited for audio bussing but you'll have 32 midi channels which should be plenty.

    I've been doing that, putting most of my sequencers together on one Matrix and sending to the others :)

    The only issue I am finding with this is that Ruismaker needs access to several midi channels one for each drum sound so I cant just allocate everything to channel 2 for for example. I guess RUismaker Noir doesnt have this problem as there is only one drum sound per AU

  • brambosbrambos

    @SheffieldBleep said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @Daveypoo said:

    I had considered using Matrix 1 for sound generators, Matrix 2 for sequencers and Matrix 3 for effects, but I realized you can't do that as there isn't a full matrix to patch between the all three Matrices.

    sure you can do that as mentioned earlier, you can use the a + b midi bus to send the sequencers to the others Matrices, it's a bit more limited for audio bussing but you'll have 32 midi channels which should be plenty.

    I've been doing that, putting most of my sequencers together on one Matrix and sending to the others :)

    The only issue I am finding with this is that Ruismaker needs access to several midi channels one for each drum sound so I cant just allocate everything to channel 2 for for example.

    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Ruismaker (classic and FM) only use a single MIDI channel. Each drum sound is mapped to a different key, but that's not different from how other drum machines do it?

  • SheffieldBleepSheffieldBleep

    @brambos said:

    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Ruismaker (classic and FM) only use a single MIDI channel. Each drum sound is mapped to a different key, but that's not different from how other drum machines do it?

    Thanks for that Brambos - I'm clearly a midi novice! Using APEMatrix I am allocating Rozetta X0X midi patchbay to bus channel B on MAtrix 2 for receiving on bus channel B Ruismaker on MAtrix 1midi patchbay. If set to Omni on the midi filter it sounds. If I filter to Channel 2 say the sound is lost - is there a default midi channel for Ruiismaker?

    If Im not making any sense don't worry - trial and error may solve it

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited November 2018

    @SheffieldBleep said:

    @brambos said:

    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Ruismaker (classic and FM) only use a single MIDI channel. Each drum sound is mapped to a different key, but that's not different from how other drum machines do it?

    Thanks for that Brambos - I'm clearly a midi novice! Using APEMatrix I am allocating Rozetta X0X midi patchbay to bus channel B on MAtrix 2 for receiving on bus channel B Ruismaker on MAtrix 1midi patchbay. If set to Omni on the midi filter it sounds. If I filter to Channel 2 say the sound is lost - is there a default midi channel for Ruiismaker?

    If Im not making any sense don't worry - trial and error may solve it

    From hardware days the default channel for drum machines is usually ch10. That's the default for RM and RMFM, as well for drum sequencers (XOX, Rhythm)

  • SheffieldBleepSheffieldBleep

    @recccp said:

    @SheffieldBleep said:

    @brambos said:

    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Ruismaker (classic and FM) only use a single MIDI channel. Each drum sound is mapped to a different key, but that's not different from how other drum machines do it?

    Thanks for that Brambos - I'm clearly a midi novice! Using APEMatrix I am allocating Rozetta X0X midi patchbay to bus channel B on MAtrix 2 for receiving on bus channel B Ruismaker on MAtrix 1midi patchbay. If set to Omni on the midi filter it sounds. If I filter to Channel 2 say the sound is lost - is there a default midi channel for Ruiismaker?

    If Im not making any sense don't worry - trial and error may solve it

    From hardware days the default channel for drum machines is usually ch10. That's the default for RM and RMFM, as well for drum sequencers (XOX, Rhythm)

    Thanks! That appears to have done the trick - just found the midi control option in X0X - so have changed this to Channel 2 and voila!

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