CHOON: Seems like a good publishing deal!

JRSIV

@u0421793 said:
I ask, because https://choon.co/serverauth/showterms clause 11, and 13 (and 11 refers to 14, which must be an error).

Yeah I am going to copy the parts here that made me a bit “ehhhh”. SoundCloud’s, the old SoundClick, even YouTube’s user agreements have verbiage that’s not so cut & dry in their favor (meaning if your composition gets ripped off & Choon was the only place you published it, tough shit.

That’s a misunderstood point about musical intellectual property in the internet age; even with the US Copyright Office registration now it says the “first publication” of the work can be on a web site. All through the Copyright process it says stuff like “after work was first published”, “formerly published work”, etc. So as a safe guard unsigned acts will “publish” (post) their work first on their self owned blog/website FIRST before going to streaming services like SoundCloud.

Bottom line it’s been close to five years since the last semester I took of the Music Business/Recording Technology program I went to...the last Prof. I had drilled it into us to get subscriptions to trade magazines/websites like Billboard, ASCAP, etc because the laws & standards will be changing every year for who knows how long. What I was learning about in 2013 can have little to no bearing on the current days scene...it moves that fast.

The old music business of even just 10-15 yrs ago is nearly if not totally extinct. Even if it’s a hobby to you, it’s good to know what the parameters are of the “new” music business...On to the Choon small print:

By uploading User Content to the Choon Services you also grant a limited, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, fully paid up, licence to other users of the Choon Services, and to operators and users of any other websites, apps and/or platforms to which User Content has been shared or embedded using the Choon Services (“Linked Services”) to use, copy listen to offline, repost, transmit or otherwise distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, adapt, prepare derivative works of, compile, make available and otherwise communicate to the public, Your Content utilising the features of the Choon Services from time to time, and within the parameters set by you using the Choon Services. Notwithstanding the foregoing, nothing in the Agreements grants any rights to any other user of the Choon Services with respect to any proprietary name, logo, trademark or service mark that you submit in connection with Your Content, other than the right to reproduce, publicly display, make available and otherwise communicate to the public the same, automatically and without alteration, as part of the act of reposting User Content with which you have associated the same.

b. User Content Representations and Warranties
You are solely responsible for your User Content and the consequences of posting or publishing it (“Your Content”). By uploading and publishing Your Content, you represent and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein; (2) you have not assigned or otherwise transferred any of your rights in Your Content to a record company, music publishing company or collection society; (3) Your Content does not and will not (a) infringe, violate, or misappropriate any third-party right, including any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, moral right, privacy right, right of publicity, or any other intellectual property or proprietary right or (b) defame any other person; and (4) unless you have received prior written authorisation, Your Content specifically does not contain any third party content or any confidential information of Choon or third parties. Choon reserves all rights and remedies against any users who breach these representations and warranties.

c. Content is Uploaded at Your Own Risk
Choon uses reasonable security measures in order to attempt to protect User Content against unauthorised copying and distribution. However, Choon does not guarantee and is not liable for any unauthorised copying, use or distribution of User Content. You hereby release and forever waive any claims you may have against Choon for any such unauthorised copying or usage of the User Content.

o_imseng

@u0421793 said:
Are you absolutely sure you still own the content that you put up there?

Yes.

u0421793

@o_imseng said:

@u0421793 said:
Are you absolutely sure you still own the content that you put up there?

Yes.

Ok.

Then, I wonder if distrokid will add it to their roster?

skulptur_sound

This looks very interesting....thanks for the heads up!!

o_imseng

@u0421793 said:

@o_imseng said:

@u0421793 said:
Are you absolutely sure you still own the content that you put up there?

Yes.

Ok.

Then, I wonder if distrokid will add it to their roster?

Probably not, with Distrokid (Im a user of that aswell) you sign a publishing contract with Distrokid so it gets your music into the stores.
The point with Choon is that you sign this material exclusively to them with a smart contract created on the blockchain. This enables Choon to always almost in real time pay you your royalties per Stream and every 24h as the smart contract is hosted decentralized in the Blockchain of Ethereum.

I would much more expect Choon to open its catalogue to other stores through a special model but still based on your smart contract in which you are the sole owner of your work as an artist.

echoopera

mannix

@mistercharlie said:
Cryptocurrencies are an environmental disaster. Here’s an article on Ethereum from last year.

Bitcoin is even worse. Bitcoin mining consumes more energy than 159 countries - CBS News

Digital Fiat Money is the perfect way to control the masses and the Klimate Change religion is the means to achieve this.

u0421793

@o_imseng said:

@u0421793 said:

@o_imseng said:

@u0421793 said:
Are you absolutely sure you still own the content that you put up there?

Yes.

Ok.

Then, I wonder if distrokid will add it to their roster?

Probably not, with Distrokid (Im a user of that aswell) you sign a publishing contract with Distrokid so it gets your music into the stores.
The point with Choon is that you sign this material exclusively to them with a smart contract created on the blockchain. This enables Choon to always almost in real time pay you your royalties per Stream and every 24h as the smart contract is hosted decentralized in the Blockchain of Ethereum.

I would much more expect Choon to open its catalogue to other stores through a special model but still based on your smart contract in which you are the sole owner of your work as an artist.

In that case, my remaining concerns concern visibility, reach and discoverability, which would imply not only a harder slog at publicising my own art (which I’d have to do anyway) but also publicising their platform so that I can be accessed by the normal public beyond their existing users.

Janosax

Now imagine you put your music on Choon, and later a label wants you to make an album, or perhaps you want to play your music live. How does it works if your music became Choon property? I don’t feel very confident with that too.

echoopera

“Uh doOd...you’ve been Chooned!”

To be “Chooned” is to be left confused and concerned over decisions made from a lack of total clarity as a result of crypto centric blockchaining newspeak.