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You may want to try them both and note that one has been out for a much longer time thus is likely priced lower than it originally was.
The UNO Synth is a great little piece of analog hardware. Why this comparison with ios software synthesizers ? Totally needless!
In that case I’ll wait until they’ve both been out the same time.
@chandroji - I think that's a reasonable impression/critique. I should point out that I own a Korg Minilogue (that's the $500 polyphonic one) and an Arturia MicroBrute (monophonic synth with more of a vintage analog control scheme; usually $300, but I bought the red one on some weird Amazon clearance for around $210). The Monologue tempted me on several occasions - primarily because of the ability to run on batteries, but I didn't pull the trigger. $300 vs. $200 does make a difference, and I was so heavily invested in Korg with the Minilogue and Volca series (not to mention a crapton of iOS apps), I just didn't think I would benefit from trying their whole catalog.
I'm not necessarily recommending the UNO Synth over the Monologue - the latter specs out as a more full-featured device in a lot of ways, and you could probably find it closer to $200 used by now. But I'm giving an example of why the UNO just seemed like a more diverse option for me. It's also MUCH more portable if you were to throw it in a backpack or messenger bag, provided you get some kind of case of it.
Also, much like how Teenage Engineering's Pocket Operators might be considered "toys" but for some amazing niche features like how live effects and pattern chaining are handled, the UNO Synth's effects buttons and potent parameter automation/recording capabilities make it really interesting for coming up with some sounds or short loops that I wouldn't arrive at using the workflow of, say, an Arturia MicroBrute.
I've noted some of its limitations and design choices that I'm less crazy about, including how freaking easy to wipe out whatever you are doing at given time just by bumping the up/down arrows and going to a new preset. If I had could get one (reasonable) fix, however, I think would be either better pattern management, or at least some type of time divide (as is present on some of the Volcas) so you could stretch one bar into two or four...even if that means less note resolution.
When I bought my first real synth (Roland SH-1) there was not much choice in my price range and no iPad /iOS to deal with! Now there’s so much choice it makes your head spin. Things were much simpler in the good old days! I like the UNO and would choose it over the Korg products in that price range. It just sounds better to me even on YouTube and I’m comparing to the Korg’s that I actually owned and got rid of. FWIW
Who knows, maybe a firmware update will make it possible to access all synthesis parameters from the front panel without the need to use a Computer or iPad to send Midi CC's to it. That would make me consider getting it.
I am a PWM junkie and not being able to adjust the PW Modulation Depth nor Envelope->PW from the front panel is well, not so exciting and makes the tweaking experience awkward (I'm not one of those who gets at boner from tweaking the cutoff and resonance knobs).
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I don't think that's possible. The Korg will always be older than UNO... I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Regardless you get a lot of synth for little money with UNO Synth and it bears trying if you are interested in a portable analog synth that has a lot of features for little money. I understand brand loyalty and such, especially when folks may have already invested in a brand and want to feel comfortable with their purchase but when judged on its own merits (and even when compared to many others) UNO Synth does pretty well.
@ikmultimedia I really do want to 'like' the UNO (after playing around a but with it in a store) but...
...can't help to wonder if there's a firmware update planned that will allow access to more parameters without the need to send CC's. I came to think about a semi-intuitive way to access at least 12 more parameters!
So do feel free to forward this idea to the firmware developers...
The logic behind these suggestions is based around the fact that it's already possible to 'long tap' on certain buttons to toggle the features of the knobs.
So a here goes...
'Long Tap' on the ENV Button would make...
Knob 1 Amp Decay
Knob 2 Amp Sustain
Knob 3 Filter Decay
Knob 4 Filter Sustain
Alt + 'Long Tap' on ENV Button would make...
Knob 1 Filter ENV -> OSC1 Wave
Knob 2 Filter ENV -> OSC2 Wave
Knob 3 Filter ENV -> OSC1 PWM
Knob 4 Filter ENV -> OSC2 PWM
'Long Tap' on LFO Button would make...
Knob 1 LFO -> OSC1 Wave
Knob 2 LFO -> OSC2 Wave
Knob 3 LFO -> OSC1 PWM
Knob 4 LFO -> OSC2 PWM
After reading the UNO manual the above knob combinations seem to be 'free'.
Other features could be holding down 'ALT' while turning the CutOff to adjust Key-Tracking.
Other 'ALT' options would be to long press on 'ALT' and when it's blinking hold down Dive, Scoop, Vibr. or WAH and use Knob 1 to adjust the 'depth' of the selected effect'.
To access more parameters (ie. the rest) long press 'ALT' and use the black keys on the piano pads to select 'pages' grouped in 4 values mapped to the knobs 1-4.
Do what ever it takes to get rid of the editor/computer dependency and let us access all parameters from the devices front-panel.
Thanks for your time...
/Samuel
Hi @ikmultimedia I'd like to know more about the USB port capabilities. Can the UNO be sequenced via USB? Also, does the USB send digital audio data?
Forgive me if it's noob questions but I have no experience with hardware synths but currently debating which would be my first.
I admire your ability to suggest improvements for so many apps in so many threads. Now also for the UNO which you just have tested once in a shop. You are like a mastermind here when it comes for good suggestions.
Devs must be happy to get all your ideas ... 😎
Compliment! Great work @Samu ! 👍
I call it ’SID Damage’
I heard the Boog Model D and was surprised how well it is sounding. And far from expensive.
Exactly. Try them all and decide for yourself.
Anyone who's been using Zeeon certainly wouldn't be interested in Uno for its sound only.
I guess it's more in its own class: A small, battery powered gadget with hands-on control that is much more pocketable than a Circuit or a Minilogue, rather like the Volca series.
@ikmultimedia : Off topic, I know but as long as we have you here, any word on when we can expect to see auv3 in SampleTank for iOS?
@ikmultimedia So I fell for it and got myself an good deal on a UNO Synth but why o why do I need to send a SYSEX dump to do a simple 'Local Off'?! (Sending the SYXEX string(s) mentioned in the manual has no effect, ie. it's NOT possible in the current firmware 1.02 to use the SOFT MIDI THRU OFF, it has no effect what so ever!!!).
It's 'midi loop mayhem' when both In & Out are connected which is needed if I want to record knob-automation to a sequencer...
Who knows maybe there are some 'hidden' knob-combos when turning on the unit and if there are the are nowhere to be found in the user manual(s)?!
I will try to be as constructive as I can regarding the UNO Synth but there's definitely some areas that do not feel fully polished yet. My Unit was pre-loaded with the 1.02 firmware which is currently the latest version.
Regarding mapping more controls to the existing knobs please refer to earlier posts in this thread...
Thanks in advance...
/Samuel
PS. Like with all 'plastic products' it needs some bending to sit flush on the table without 'wiggling'...
Hi, I know that @Samu is aware but note that UNO Synth Editor is now available (also requires the new firmware version 1.1). Thanks!
1.1.1 to be precise
The editor really lifts the UNO Synth to another level and the firmware 'easter egg'(ie. full ADSR editing from the front panel) was a welcome addition!
Now all we need is adjustment of a few parameters which I have also posted suggestions for over at the IK UNO Board
Since it uses cc’s I bet I could control it with my digitakt. Sweet portable setup right there.
I believe so. The MIDI implementation on the UNO is a major strong point. And it really makes up for the 16-step, one pattern limitation on the built-in sequencer, since you can control and sequence everything with other hardware/software.
FWIW... I got one, and it actually had an unreleased firmware. Like 1.1.2... so could not use windows editor, but ipad one worked. I sent it back through. The totally fatal flaw is the noise level when powered via USB. Instead of adding $.10 to the cost of the BOM, they just tell you to buy a USB isloator. It's always stupid that you only can power it via batteries (it EATS batts), or via USB. No separate power jack...
So yea, it's cheap. And for that cheap price, you get a cheap synth that sounds pretty decent and has a decent sequencer. But honestly, it's soo worth it to spend another $100 (just eat PBJ for lunch for a week or two and skip the $10 lunches) and get a better device. Even the new Modal Skulpt looks like it will blow this out of the water...
Because of the price I was actually going to buy like 6-8 of these things and create a pretty cheap monster multi-timbral frankensynth... But the audio output noise just blows it up. Especially one you run it through compression... It's like a "vintage" vinyl effect or something...
Yea.... Analog... Sooo over that... Run a box through FX, master it, and no one is going to be able to tell if it's an Electribe, Uno, or hell, even a Volca...
I agree, that's a 'design flaw' and it's honestly quite annoying.
Thankfully the 5W iPhone charger works quite well to power it without too much added noise but that takes away USB Midi...
Ironically the output from my Volca Bass is a lot cleaner than the one from the UNO
What annoys me the most is that the editor is needed to adjust PWM modulation and that's a big ARGHHHHH especially when many of the factory presets use PWM modulation (both from the LFO and Filter Envelope) and there is no way to edit that from the front panel...
Who knows maybe they will add some new stuff in the next firmware, the 1.1.3 update added no noticeable improvements...
I'm not ripping on it btw. For the price it's pretty decent. But the opportunity cost of "saving" $100 and not moving to the next tier makes not a lot of sense... Play with some amazing iOS synths until you save the extra $100-$200 and get a better unit.
Considering the construction quality (cheap, thin plastic), minimal controls, etc. It's all pretty mass produced. So honestly this thing should have been price like $99 (i.e. sub-$100)... More $, but better than a PO, significantly cheaper than next "tier" of hardware synths...
In a year the UNO will be EOL and you'll be able to pick up closeouts for like $75 and mint used model on Reverb for $50.
i grabbed an uno today and it sounds pretty freaking good. having the editor app on ios is seemless and feels like you’re using an ios synth with a perfect midi controller match.
super portable, fat sounds, analog...i couldn’t resist, it’sa great match with the novation circuit and ios imo.
haven’t figured out how to upload more than one patch at a time from the free ones available on the website but i haven’t read the manual or really tried too hard lol but i’m happy with this thing and it sounds amazing thru blackhole reverb
This is now £109 on Amazon in the UK. I'm guessing it's on it's way out the door as it's cousin, the drum machine, is still twice that.
Love this synth and its 300+ presets.
Perhaps because there are couple of new versions coming?:
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/unosynthpro/?pkey=uno-synth-pro-desktop