Patterning 2 - sub patterns and new patterns - question or bug

JabreyD

Greeting Everyone:

When I have a pattern, and then create a sub-pattern by clicking the curvy arrow, anything I do in the sub pattern also affects the master pattern for that group. For example, if I mute a track, its muted on all versions of that pattern. So, I created a new pattern by clicking the plus icon to go from A to B, but the new B pattern is empty. I thought it would copy the pattern data to B, and thus allow me to make changes that aren't applied to anything in A.

Is this a bug, or is this how its supposed to work?

I watched Dougs video, and when he click the plus icon, his pattern and the data within all copy from A to B, but mine does not. I was a beta tester and am wondering if I have a problem related to that. I am not on the beta install, I deleted and installed fresh I am certain.

robosardine

Yes- it’s an unconventional way of muting and unmuting- but it’s fine when you get the hang of it. The mute settings are stored with the drum kit. So on the drum kit page you can have several of the same kit (top right)- each with different mute settings. Whichever kit (with it’s own mute settings) you have allocated to a pattern is the one which will play when you call it up. You can of course have a different kit- or even the same kit with only a few variations.

wim

That’s by design, not a bug. When you make changes in the mixer, you’re changing the kit, not the pattern. Wherever that kit is used will be affected. You can create a copy of the kit and assign it to a different pattern, then make the changes to that kit if you want differences between patterns.

Dynamic Drum Kits / Drum Kit Switching
In Patterning 2, you can assign different drum kits to patterns using Dynamic Drum Kits. This can be used to swap drum kits when changing between patterns, allowing you to do anything from loading an entire different set of samples and MIDI settings to simply making minor parameter tweaks.

An example. Patterns A and B use drum kit “808". Pattern C uses drum kit “909.” Switching to pattern C will change all settings to match drum kit “909” while switching back to Pattern A or B will change all settings to match drum kit “808” Changes to drum kit “808” will affect both patterns A and B.

By default, all patterns use the same drum kit. To create a new drum kit, use the ADD DRUM KIT button to create a copy of the current drum kit and apply it to the current pattern. You can then load a preset drum kit, or just tweak the settings of the previous kit.

Dynamic Drum Kits are also accessible from the PATTERN page’s LOOP/PATTERN editor.

Sub patterns aren’t really related to a “parent” in any way other than naming and that they were initially copied from another pattern. The curvy arrow makes a copy and switches to it. The plus sign makes an empty pattern. If you really did see him hit the plus sign and it made a copy, then it must have been in a pre-release version that worked differently, or maybe you saw him using the “next” button, which appears instead of the + button, when you’re not at the last pattern of the song.

Anyway, you can do what you want to do; you just need to do it with a copy of the kit.