Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.
What is Loopy Pro? — Loopy Pro is a powerful, flexible, and intuitive live looper, sampler, clip launcher and DAW for iPhone and iPad. At its core, it allows you to record and layer sounds in real-time to create complex musical arrangements. But it doesn’t stop there—Loopy Pro offers advanced tools to customize your workflow, build dynamic performance setups, and create a seamless connection between instruments, effects, and external gear.
Use it for live looping, sequencing, arranging, mixing, and much more. Whether you're a live performer, a producer, or just experimenting with sound, Loopy Pro helps you take control of your creative process.
Download on the App StoreLoopy Pro is your all-in-one musical toolkit. Try it for free today.
Looper apps- do any or all of them do this?
Do any looper apps allow you to - make a loop- then record only on part of it as it loops- So that the original loop stays- apart from the newly recorded part which then replaces what was there. A bit like iKaossilator or Figure. I’m not sure if the term ‘replace record’ means replace the whole lot- or just replace a part of it- which is what I am hoping.
Thanks
Comments
Sort of like a punch-in record, so you can re-record over just a part of a loop?
a looper with a moveable loop bracket within the loop that you could record into would be great.... have you asked the group the loop dev about it... he's very open to good ideas?
Yes to both. I have never used a looper but am planning to give it a go- this is my very first step. I was hoping that something like this would exist already- if nothing turns up I will look at making contact.
Cheers
I was just looking at Group the Loop in the AppStore as I contemplated contacting the dev. There was an update to 1.4 a week ago- and part of the update is- ‘mute and overdub CUE options’ - what is this?
Group the Loop is my favorite looper right now, it’s great for live jamming, very intuitive interface and very stable.
I think the mute and overdub cue refers to a quantized trigger, so it will mute the loop or start recording another layer on the first beat of the loop.
I’m thinking you might also want to look at BlocsWave, it has a live loop slicer feature that’s pretty handy, but not punch-in recording as far as I’m aware.
Override only a part of loop? Why?
If it’s to erase mistakes just undo and record again.
If it’s to create variation just record the first sample leaving a blank part and then record two or more layers in another clip slot and switch between them. Loopy or GTL will be handy for that...
for creative measures after the fact
Because I may want to add to a loop I am happy with- But just change a bit of it. I have been used to using iKaossilator and Figure and like that type of workflow. I like your ideas- but I may not know in advance which parts I would want to change. I would maybe want to experiment/ undo for a while.
You can merge variations into new loops ATM so ask for new behaviour in working apps could be more frustrating than just adapt yourself. ITOH maybe a sample mangler could fit better than a looper since these are usually more expermental in these terms (sector as example)
Jm2c
Creativity is currently possible but requires to know properly the tool
I’ve said it before but the only thing that is as close to the iKaossilator and figure loop replacing stuff is Grooverider: playing the scale pad and erase button simultaneously as necessary. The other options mentioned are fine for more normal methods of reworking parts of things.
Ha Ha! - hello there db909- it’s funny you should pitch up here- I was thinking of you during this posting and wondered what your thoughts would be. I think you (and me and others) are saying that there is room for (some would say clear) development opportunities of iOS apps- that for some reason are largely ignored. Why is this??? It needs attention!..... now! Is it not patently obvious!?
People just don’t get the replace record workflow. It occupies a strange place between straight up recording/improve and deliberate composition. Not to mention it’s a wholly unique way to jam with yourself, and offers much creative potential. Also polyphony is a weird thing with this method, I’d like to see someone tackle polyphonic note replace loop recording. And see that’s the other problem, it doesn’t have a name, making it difficult to discuss.
Anyways the only downside to Grooverider is the scale pad just isn’t very big and has no visual feedback of recorded notes, making it difficult to feel like you’re flying as opposed to iKaossilator
Exactly it- iKaossilator is Fast! Easy! Fun!- tactile touch groovieness- there are plenty of effects to send it through on iOS if you want. Why oh why have Korg not made more sound packs for it??.... why?....
I’m curious here how you would see this working with audio. How would you signal the looper to start and stop recording mid loop? Would you stop ANS set punch in and out points then start? Or would you toggle record on and off on the fly with a foot switch or something? Or, would you set a threshold on the input signal to toggle recording on? But if you did that, how would you turn it off? Or, some other way?
All of the above could conceivably be done, but the workflow you’re looking for isn’t clear to me. I get it for midi notes, but audio is different. For instance, how would the looper manage to make a smooth transition between the older material and the newer material? With punch in and out, typically one would play or sing the previous part leading up to and after the punch area. If not, the transition can be obviously awkward.
It’s not as easy and obvious thing to design and do as you might think when you’re working with audio vs midi notes.
One possible approach would be to use ducking. Record into a second loop, then use a plugin like FAC Envolver to cut the volume of the first loop when there’s signal coming from the second loop.
That’s a good idea. The problem doing it with audio though is if you, say, play a short note over a long one, the last part of the long one will come back in once the short note is released. With midi, that long note would be cut off at that moment and not come back. The audio effect is similar to how it’s done in Figure, although there it’s due to the monophonic sytnth and you get legato slurs and no attacks. Which is why iKaossilator and Grooverider sound more musical the way they do it, the interrupted notes are gone for good
iKaossilator and Grooverider are both only dealing with note on / note off messages. Trying to implement that with audio is a different ball ‘o wax. That’s why defining how you see it working in practice is important. Each decision leads to a different set of challenges to make it musical as you say.
Mangletastic! The search for my optimum workflow odyssey continues. I will get there....
you won't be alone on your journey!
If there was an app that was basically Soundprism Pro with iKaossilator style recording and the visual playback of recorded instruments on the Soundprism grid, with different colors, and it had a built in sampler that does timestretching, and simple volume, eq, and panning for each of the, let’s say 8 tracks max, well that would be a slam dunk workflow for me. I’d be making tracks in like 15 minutes. I’d probably master them in Grand Finale, that doesn’t take long. The only other time spent would be curating samples for use in the sampler. I mean it really could be that simple. Hey devs, IT REALLY COULD BE THAT SIMPLE. People could wank around with synth programming and fx all they want curating the samples from wherever, but once you bring it into this thing, it’s hit record and jam and barely anything else. The perfect pot to pour your sounds into and then focus on nothing but the music, the important stuff
!
Weird. I don't know of an audio looper that allows for this. Would be cool, especially if each punch-in was secretly a layer that could later be reverted or moved around, etc. Pretty much like track layers/take lanes in most modern DAWs. But with loops and no need for stop buttons.
I'm still curious how people would see the record start and stop being implemented. Overdub is easy - just layer whatever is incoming over what is already there. But in this case you need to erase or hide the original audio somehow between two points. What points? How and when do you set them?
Even picturing a foot pedal - press once to start and once again to stop. OK, so I'm playing my guitar and I hit the pedal a too early ... silence until I start playing? Sure, maybe if there's a gap, but what if it's a raging wall of sound on the original track? Or, I start playing a little too soon and suddenly when I do hit the pedal the sound comes in mid-note, chord, whatever. Fine if I'm coming in over similar audio, but what if it's quiet? And that's with a foot pedal. It would be compounded if I had to reach for a keyboard or a button on the screen.
Maybe a configurable cross-fade? I dunno. A lot depends on how it works physically.
Mainly, I'm curious to know how people seeing this triggering mid-loop being put into practice from an operational aspect.
Yep. Just like a DAW punch in. For something like this to work well, there'd probably need to be some way to trim the punches.
Yeah, via keyboard would be pretty much useless. MIDI trigger or bust. That said, lots of DAWs (and even cassette 4-tracks) offer you the opportunity to set punch-in and out points before-hand by using markers. That'd work in a looper too I reckon. Not suggesting it would be trivial/easy to implement but it seems possible to me.
As far as transitions, micro-fades (+ UNDO!) should do it.
I agree, I honestly don’t think it could be done very well with audio. With midi it goes like this: you record a loop, let’s say 4 bars. And the recording can be armed and begin as soon as you play a note. The loop is looping and you decide you want the melody to descend at the last bar, rather than ascend. All you do is play it descending at that moment. That is recorded and the old notes are erased where they coincide with a new note. Then ideally you just save a copy of this loop, then do it again, and again. So you’re always kind of morphing it from what it was before but doing it live and without having to replay the parts you want to keep or open an editor somewhere. You then have a bunch of loops that gel really well together to arrange as you please. Also you can just keep playing until the perfect loop is captured, no stopping and restarting, no having to undo, just play until the 4 bar snapshot is right.
The best way to experience this workflow is to make a song using only iKaossilator, rarely ever deleting a part, and never stopping playback. Only the save button to save your copies(which does not interrupt playback, an important point)
If someone could mimic this with some fancy audio processing and storage that would be really special.
Maybe try using Gesturement hooked to sample players.
@robosardine
Read the description for Everest:Audio Looper. I think it's what you're looking for.
I haven't yet figured out how to copy a link from the App Store. My apologies.
Looperverse seems to be not far from what you are looking for...