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SampleTank as Audio Unit
Hi there,
as mentioned I'm starting to setup a studio environment around iPad Pro, external Kurzweil keyboard and cubasis/AuriaPro.
Since Cubasis doesnt support mapping incoming MIDI-channels from an external keyboard in IAA-mode and SampleTank doesnt support Audio Units - I dont see any way of seriously using SampleTank multitimbral in a Cubasis/AuriaPro-production at this point for me - which is very sad! The sounds are very promising - it's amazing what you can get these days on iPad. But coming from a professional environment (produced electronic and pop-music for a living in studios), I can't just rely on the internal toy-keyboard (cubasis or auria).
Meaning, for now I had to switch back using Beathawk as my sampler in AU-mode. Using Audio Units at least give me the same studio experience I had when I left off making music with VSTs.
Using SampleTank multitimbral in IAA-mode might be fine for personal projects, but it's out of the question for serious music-production with external gear (at least without the support of propper MIDI-routing from the external keyboard in the sequencer)
When is it planned to add Audio Unit support for SampleTank?
Thanks,
Boris
PS: I wrote the above to IK-multimedia .. lets see what they say
Comments
This topic has been tossed around for quite some time. From what I’ve gathered; I wouldn’t hold my breath nor would I give up hope for Sampletank as an AU. Maybe others have heard something else I haven’t.
Meantime, AudioLayer has saved the AU sampler day.
Thats quite interesting .. are there already any libraries available?
VirSyn just updated it to support import of EXS24 Instruments:
"Just copy the exs file and all samples to the "import" folder of AudioLayer. Then tap on the exs file and it should import it into the Instrument folder "EXS". After import you can remove the files in the import folder."
They suggest running SF2 Libraries through Apples ESX24 Sampler and exporting EXS24 Instruments.
AudioLayer ships with a demo of about 24 instruments. It also supports recording and adding Wave files to allow you to make new instruments.
If you love your SampleTank libraries, you can accomplish the same end-result as you desire by not using Live Mode and freezing your tracks as you go. Unless you are playing multi-timbrally in a single track, there is little downside though it won't be the workflow you prefer.
Maybe SampkeTank will eventually be AU but in the meantime you can adapt your workflow if you love your libraries.
Have you determined that it also doesn't work with Auria Pro?
yes, in AuriaPro the MIDI also doesnt get propperly mapped to the output of an IAA-instrument.. so its unuseable there as well .. it's a CoreMidi problem
And yes I could try out your method of freezing - if I managed to fix it that SampleTank doesnt ALWAYS play (when I hooked it up in cubasis as IAA-instrument), no matter what track I select in cubasis .. which is again unuseable .. What do they want me to do if I want to play some other instruments/tracks during in a session? Turning down the SampleTank volume when I'm not on that track? Thats ridiculous .. SampeTank ALWAYS plays when connected as IAA - it's its CoreMidi part that stays connected. I guess I could hide in cubasis deep inside some settings or run a mixdown .. it still would play because of CoreMidi .. which is .. yes, UNUSEABLE. in iWavestation I can at least set a MIDI-channel, so when I set a different one on my keyboard it does NOT play - only when I'm on the track in cubasis .. that is a workaround .. not possible with SampleUnusableJokeTank
And while we're on it (and I'm in ranting-mode
).. Who set that IAA mode up? Apple? Why on earth die they let CoreMidi stay active? That is so BS .. these are the abolute basics since 15 years for music production with virtual instruments. You select a track, you hear (ONLY) the selected isntrument.. ok, enough ranting.. AUv3 I'm coming.
@borisb2 you mention Beathawk... Do you have problems of any kind using it in Cubasis either as AU or in app? Thanks!
I want to know the same thing. I almost have a “teenage nervous breakdown” every time I try the app.
Yeah... that’s a Stones classic
I read a long time ago IK announcing that ST would eventually be Au3 but that was last year.. Syntronik is.. I guess it would be difficult to rewrite the code.. SampleTank is a good core app for iOS.. I’m ditching iOS for desktop for the time being until they get it together.. I can’t see using iOS as my main staple without a core library of sounds.. BeatHawk is good but not quite enough.
At least Beathawk is AU - so you can load more instances in your sequencer and dont have to worry about multitimbral setups .. but the big downside is it doesnt store its settings as an Audio Unit. Whenever you load a cubasis project beathawk starts empty and you have to reload all its samples and settings .. which reminds me of working with Akai S1000 Sampler back in the 90s .. wouldn't have thought this (painful) way of working would pop up again in 2018
I hear you and it hurts .. I will give IOS a bit more time. I do remember - when I made music years ago - sampling my ass off with Akai and EXS24, buying tons of sample CDs just to get good sounds .. what you get these days through the App-store for just a few dollars (ravenscroft, zeeon, beathawk etc.) is quite mindblowing .. basics like Midi-routing, virtual instruments usability in a more complex environment on the other side is a nightmare on iOS, compared to what is available on desktop since 15 years
Hmmm, that part of it I can live with as I don't often return to the scene of the crime, but BH seems to freeze up Cubasis. Have to reload, the messages of an empty folder, etc. all kinds of weirdness. I guess you have not experienced same. Maybe it is my iPad, but @kuhl is modern as interstellar travel.
IAA apps don't have to listen to all CoreMidi input devices. Many IAA apps let you choose what MIDI devices they listen to, though many don't. Just mentioning so that IAA doesn't take the blame for app design flaws (I.e. not implementing input filters).
Btw, I sympathize.
yeah I know .. with isymphonic for example you can disable CoreMidi .. but why not with SampleTank? - at least apps that dont support AUv3 yet SHOULD have that mandatory
@borisb2 : Check our Traktion Waveform 9.. Deluxe pack is $250... It’s ridiculous ..
When saving/reloading AUM session the whole Beathawk AU settings are saved/restored, all sound settings, patterns, song-setup and preferences. I will try later with Cubasis.
Stagelight fornios might be interesting w that sample library