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Korg Gadget Vancouver: max sample lenght? + reset pitch knob in Bilbao?

I've just got Korg Gadget this morning.. I've got 2 quick questions:

  • Is there a maximum length for a sample in Vancouver? I've noticed there is a 5sec max in Bilbao.....
  • is there a way to quickly reset the pitch knob for Bilbao? You can usually do this by double tapping...

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  • @SlowwFloww said:
    I've just got Korg Gadget this morning.. I've got 2 quick questions:

    • Is there a maximum length for a sample in Vancouver? I've noticed there is a 5sec max in Bilbao.....
    • is there a way to quickly reset the pitch knob for Bilbao? You can usually do this by double tapping...

    Between 7-10 seconds, don’t have an exact time. Sample a higher note and you can have the sample play out a lot longer on a lower octave.

    Set your controls to rotary rather than linear. There’s no default double tap but you can get used to the knobs pretty quickly if you practice.

  • edited August 2018

    [edit: nevermind I just got it]

    Ah okay.. thanx

    For a sample player the options for playback are quite limiting right?

    It seems:

    • no zero crossing for looping to prevent clicks (?)
    • no playback options: one shot, gate, pingpong looping etc.
    • no attack, decay/release
    • no filter (but an ifx filter can be used)
  • edited August 2018

    @SlowwFloww said:
    [edit: I just got it]

    Ah okay.. thanx

    For a sample player the options for playback are quite limiting right?

    It seems:

    • no zero crossing for looping to prevent clicks (?)
    • no playback options: one shot, gate, pingpong looping etc.
    • no attack, decay/release
    • no filter (but an ifx filter can be used)

    Smooth is the setting to fade loops, depending on where you set it will determine how seamless it sounds.

    Ping pong looping is over rated, sounds unnatural. You can reverse your sample though and loop that. Best of all you can lose two instances of the sample to loop forward and reverse simultaneously.

    The sustain button with the release will give you your one shot or gate settings, it’s esoteric, I couldn’t explain how it works but it does.

    Again in the mix panel you’ve got your attack and release.

    No one is more upset about the lack of onboard filter FX than I am, particularly the lack of a filter envelope, but it’s Korg and we’re but mere mortals... we must play by their rules.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    No one is more upset about the lack of onboard filter FX than I am, particularly the lack of a filter envelope, but it’s Korg and we’re but mere mortals... we must play by their rules.

    I am upset but since we're talking Korg it doesn't really help to waste energy on being upset :D

    There is basic filter in the IFX slot that can be automated but I do wish Korg would add an option to use all of the effects present in Gadge as IFX...

  • @Samu the filter in the IFX slot is only useful though if you use Gadget's internal sequencer (does anybody actually use that? ;) :D), as NO parameters of IFX are controllable via MIDI (or has that changed recently?)

  • Well.. I think I can do enough with Gadget from what I see now.... even the sequencer seems okay. But I'm really happy that at least the timing is correct :)

    @SevenSystems but, I also bought Xequence today.. also to thank you for your help in my 'sloppy timing' thread...

  • @Samu said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    No one is more upset about the lack of onboard filter FX than I am, particularly the lack of a filter envelope, but it’s Korg and we’re but mere mortals... we must play by their rules.

    I am upset but since we're talking Korg it doesn't really help to waste energy on being upset :D

    There is basic filter in the IFX slot that can be automated but I do wish Korg would add an option to use all of the effects present in Gadge as IFX...

    When I get annoyed with Gadget I switch over to Grooverider and vice versa.

  • @SlowwFloww congrats and thanks :) post any questions or issues in the "Xequence MIDI Sequencer?" thread so that others can find it...

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @Samu the filter in the IFX slot is only useful though if you use Gadget's internal sequencer (does anybody actually use that? ;) :D), as NO parameters of IFX are controllable via MIDI (or has that changed recently?)

    The nanoKEY Studio integration in Gadget is pretty neat and as long as the automation works as well as it does I'll keep on using the built-in sequencer and I avoid jumping between apps as much as I can :)

  • @Samu I wonder, can you control IFX parameters with the knobs on the Nanokey?

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @Samu I wonder, can you control IFX parameters with the knobs on the Nanokey?

    Nope, but I can use my fingers for either 'finger-painting' the values directly or 'knob-swiping' during record :)

  • @Samu OK, I was just wondering if they're controllable externally at all, maybe via SysEx. Oh well 😕

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @Samu OK, I was just wondering if they're controllable externally at all, maybe via SysEx. Oh well 😕

    It could get tricky. There's 5 IFX slots and depending on which type of effect is assigned the number of parameters changes. When changing an IFX effect all recorded automation is 'deleted' since the automation lanes are removed/replaced with parameters for the new effect. It's currently not possible to assign Midi CC's to the IFX parameters either.

    If I don't recall wrong Midi CC mapping of IFX effects has been requested over at the Korg Forums and forwarded to the developers.(Then again so has many other ideas related to IFX like access to all effects in Gadget).

    Remains to be seen if Korg drops a new Gadget update or new apps when iOS12 drops...

  • @SlowwFloww said:
    I've just got Korg Gadget this morning.. I've got 2 quick questions:

    • Is there a maximum length for a sample in Vancouver? I've noticed there is a 5sec max in Bilbao.....
    • is there a way to quickly reset the pitch knob for Bilbao? You can usually do this by double tapping...

    Hi, I'm one of the Gadget devs :)

    Just wanted to clear up the sample length for Vancouver - it is 10 seconds. I made a mistake the first time around where the samples wouldn't display correctly in all circumstances, which led to some conspiracies about us reducing the sample time or something like that.
    However, the max sample time is 10 seconds. Of course, if you take a 20s sample, re-sample it 2x, then just play an octave down in Vancouver, you can "double the storage" if you want to think of it like that. Of course, you'll get artifacts from the interpolation, but that's where the character comes from, right? :grin:

    As for Bilbao, it's already been stated here, but there's no "tap to reset" gesture at the moment. The closest thing would be just dragging it close, then flicking to make the last small adjustments.

  • @davis_korgrd said:

    @SlowwFloww said:
    I've just got Korg Gadget this morning.. I've got 2 quick questions:

    • Is there a maximum length for a sample in Vancouver? I've noticed there is a 5sec max in Bilbao.....
    • is there a way to quickly reset the pitch knob for Bilbao? You can usually do this by double tapping...

    Hi, I'm one of the Gadget devs :)

    Just wanted to clear up the sample length for Vancouver - it is 10 seconds. I made a mistake the first time around where the samples wouldn't display correctly in all circumstances, which led to some conspiracies about us reducing the sample time or something like that.
    However, the max sample time is 10 seconds. Of course, if you take a 20s sample, re-sample it 2x, then just play an octave down in Vancouver, you can "double the storage" if you want to think of it like that. Of course, you'll get artifacts from the interpolation, but that's where the character comes from, right? :grin:

    As for Bilbao, it's already been stated here, but there's no "tap to reset" gesture at the moment. The closest thing would be just dragging it close, then flicking to make the last small adjustments.

    Thanks @davis_korgrd - it’s great you’re on this forum to answer these questions...

    And yes @SevenSystems - I use the Gadget sequencer to make almost all my tracks. It’s one of the best things about Gadget (IMO).

  • edited August 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:

    @SlowwFloww said:

    However, the max sample time is 10 seconds. Of course, if you take a 20s sample, re-sample it 2x, then just play an octave down in Vancouver, you can "double the storage"

    Yeah this is very smart.. When played 1 ocateve lower the soundquality is still very good...
    I can even use a '3x sample' played 3 octaves lower so I can use a 30 secs sample :-)

    Btw I really like Gadget, what other people say is true: it's an amazing app! It has very good effects..

    One thing though: setting the correct tempo is really hard... why not change it so I can input the bpm with a keyboard??

  • @SlowwFloww said:
    One thing though: setting the correct tempo is really hard... why not change it so I can input the bpm with a keyboard??

    I'm not sure why the original decision was made, but that code probably hasn't been touched since the first release of Gadget. I can take a look of course, but I can't really say it's a high-priority sort of thing haha

  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    Set your controls to rotary rather than linear ...

    Brilliant, much easier to control when set like this . thanks

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