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Grooverider or Quantum or Korg Electribe Wave - help me choose

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  • @mAxjUlien said:

    @kinkujin said:
    My choice has been made. I had decided not to purchase any as of yesterday. By end of the night I had read some more. I went to the App Store and tried to purchase but my wifi crapped out (a common occurence in the kinkujin household) so I couldn't get it. Came here today and watched a video on GR-16 and said .... DONE!
    @mAxjUlien The mighty app won this time.

    Yeah I actually grabbed it myself. BM3 will definitely remain my main rig along with Logic but after falling in love with KEW, I need more of this groovebox flavor.

    hehehehehe No will power. Actually, I really wasn't even trying ...

  • edited September 2018

    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

  • @echoopera said:
    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

    Thanks for this post, mate!
    I am happy that I am not the only one having hard time designing patches in Gr16. That is actually my main complain
    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?
    Do they ship this thing with lots of good tables!?
    I am on the edge - oh my.... :)

  • @david_2017 said:

    @echoopera said:
    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

    Thanks for this post, mate!
    I am happy that I am not the only one having hard time designing patches in Gr16. That is actually my main complain
    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?
    Do they ship this thing with lots of good tables!?
    I am on the edge - oh my.... :)

    I think patches are best designed in Grooverider after notes have been recorded and while playing. Also, you can turn the stereo delay on as a first step and the stereo sounds predictably more inspiring. I also automate everything live

  • edited September 2018

    @db909 said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @echoopera said:
    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

    Thanks for this post, mate!
    I am happy that I am not the only one having hard time designing patches in Gr16. That is actually my main complain
    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?
    Do they ship this thing with lots of good tables!?
    I am on the edge - oh my.... :)

    I think patches are best designed in Grooverider after notes have been recorded and while playing. Also, you can turn the stereo delay on as a first step and the stereo sounds predictably more inspiring. I also automate everything live

    Yeah...that's my typical workflow...I lay down a sequence and go to town tweaking...but I just haven't found that to be something I find fluid in GR-16. I even downloaded a bunch of new Serum Wavetables...but everything just sounds so synthetic and tinny.

    FWIW, on KEW, I have about 20 patches that I find myself using a lot. And these are just based on what shipped with the app...

    Anyhoo...I'm a workflow nerd, and just love opening and app and playing...and of the 2, Electribe Wave fits that need of mine better...but GR-16 is great if you find harmony with it the way you work...

  • @david_2017 said:

    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?

    They’re more templates than presets. Not many, but they cover a decent range, and it’s really easy to get proper usable synth sounds by tweaking them a bit.

    That’s the thing with KEW - it’s quick to get a decent tune going via the sequencer, and easy to create synth sounds you actually want to use.

  • FWIW, here’s something i put together in about 15 minutes using Fugue Machine and Electribe Wave:

    Now could i have done in it GR-16? Maybe, but with KEW, i didn’t struggle to find the right sound...it was all there for me to get going and sculpt and refine and play the way i like to work...

  • I have all three, and find uses for them all, especially GR-16 😁

  • edited September 2018

    GR-16 has a rather deep synth engine with lots of tweakable oscillator and filter models.
    If you don't come from a synth background, all these can be a bit overwhelming at first - there's gold but you don't know where to find it.
    It takes time to learn all this, and you'll get rewarded with an app that is very capable of generating a huge palette of synth sounds.

    I guess @jimpavloff should create a sounds and patterns pack that sounds more like satisfying the EW kind of sonic character, in order to help people get to know GR faster and make it sound the way they want it to.

  • edited September 2018

    @rs2000

    I guess @jimpavloff should create a sounds and patterns pack that sounds more like satisfying the EW kind of sonic character, in order to help people get to know GR faster and make it sound the way they want it to.

    That’s a great idea. Anything to get folk making the kind of stuff they want to make quicker would help. Plus, coventional wisdom here is that there’s where the profit is in IAPs.

    Got GR-16 tonight. Thoroughly confused but energized!

  • all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

    I don’t use song mode, I just jam about on one or two patterns. A pattern contains your synth and drum sequences. Start with a blank init pattern and build up from there.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

    Doug can help you out:

  • @echoopera said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

    Doug can help you out:

    I also got a lot of info on sequences/patterns/songs from this one. The visuals are hard going but worth watching through:

  • edited September 2018
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  • For what its worth the new version of GR16 cam out today and has a ton of new features including a bunch of new samples, 8 bar patterns, serum wavetables and custom wavetable import

  • @echoopera said:
    Not to push you towards my workflow but i own both Grooverider 16 and Electribe Wave and have produced more work with Electribe Wave. Here are my examples of that work:

    link to playlist:
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYTt8s7J_3t7QG47hbpaKs6PKwAxmZCo9

    Now that I’m using it with StepPolyArp i am in bliss.

    I think one of the benefits of GR-16 is that is offers MidiOut so you can use it to sequence other synths and gear which is really cool. And the dev is just amazing.

    It’s a good time to have these problems just hard on decision making.

    But if i has to choose I’d go with electribe Wave. It just fits my workflow and style though.

    As far as Quantum...i love the features and potential the app offers, i just can’t gel with the UI...a bias from being a UI Designer my self so I’m particularly sensitive to UI and workflows.

    NOT BAD! Listen to this folks :smile:

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @echoopera said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

    Doug can help you out:

    I also got a lot of info on sequences/patterns/songs from this one. The visuals are hard going but worth watching through:

    Thanks, man. Got a little hysterical there. I tend to see music apps as games, and though I am not a totally devoted video game player, I can usually figure out the rules pretty quickly. It’s been a while that I haven’t been able to make it past the “first level” in a music app.

    KEW felt like playing one of my kids’ hyperrealistic PS4 campaigns: I can’t even figure out how to get in the humvee, never mind locating the bad guys.

    I’ll watch these and learn.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @echoopera said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    all right. @echoopera and @MonzoPro

    imma need to see a step by step video. this app makes me feel so stupid. Pattern? Sequence? Song? Program? I can’t figure out where to begin!

    Doug can help you out:

    I also got a lot of info on sequences/patterns/songs from this one. The visuals are hard going but worth watching through:

    Thanks, man. Got a little hysterical there. I tend to see music apps as games, and though I am not a totally devoted video game player, I can usually figure out the rules pretty quickly. It’s been a while that I haven’t been able to make it past the “first level” in a music app.

    KEW felt like playing one of my kids’ hyperrealistic PS4 campaigns: I can’t even figure out how to get in the humvee, never mind locating the bad guys.

    I’ll watch these and learn.

    I know what you mean, BM3, iElectribe, Grooverider, iSpark, iMPC Pro etc. all puzzle me. That was my worry with KEW, but the vids put me straight.

  • @Dawdles said:
    @db909 said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @echoopera said:
    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

    Thanks for this post, mate!
    I am happy that I am not the only one having hard time designing patches in Gr16. That is actually my main complain
    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?
    Do they ship this thing with lots of good tables!?
    I am on the edge - oh my.... :)

    I think patches are best designed in Grooverider after notes have been recorded and while playing. Also, you can turn the stereo delay on as a first step and the stereo sounds predictably more inspiring. I also automate everything live

    Samples are your friend ;) I rarely use the onboard gr16 synth for synth sounds. But got a ton of great sounding patches in there via samples...

    Cool. I’d love to hear some of your tracks. Can you post examples

  • @echoopera said:

    @Dawdles said:
    @db909 said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @echoopera said:
    While i like GR-16 i find it really hard to find sounds that i enjoy composing to. I spend most of my time trying to find the right sound and then an hour passes and it’s time to move on with life.

    Electribe Wave has proven to be a good source for flow as so far all the patches I’ve assembled are conducive to playing which i love.

    Less setup means more time playing and exploring and less time polishing a turd :p

    FWIW, I’m a patch kind of guy. I find something i sort of like and tweak it. So far i haven’t found that row in GR-16. Everything just sounds thin and okay.

    Thanks for this post, mate!
    I am happy that I am not the only one having hard time designing patches in Gr16. That is actually my main complain
    How many presets that are nice sounding and useable are there for the KEW?
    Do they ship this thing with lots of good tables!?
    I am on the edge - oh my.... :)

    I think patches are best designed in Grooverider after notes have been recorded and while playing. Also, you can turn the stereo delay on as a first step and the stereo sounds predictably more inspiring. I also automate everything live

    Samples are your friend ;) I rarely use the onboard gr16 synth for synth sounds. But got a ton of great sounding patches in there via samples...

    Cool. I’d love to hear some of your tracks. Can you post examples

    Here’s a super weird track i made with groove rider:

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  • edited September 2018

    @Kühl said:

    @echoopera said:
    Not to push you towards my workflow but i own both Grooverider 16 and Electribe Wave and have produced more work with Electribe Wave. Here are my examples of that work:

    link to playlist:
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYTt8s7J_3t7QG47hbpaKs6PKwAxmZCo9

    Now that I’m using it with StepPolyArp i am in bliss.

    I think one of the benefits of GR-16 is that is offers MidiOut so you can use it to sequence other synths and gear which is really cool. And the dev is just amazing.

    It’s a good time to have these problems just hard on decision making.

    But if i has to choose I’d go with electribe Wave. It just fits my workflow and style though.

    As far as Quantum...i love the features and potential the app offers, i just can’t gel with the UI...a bias from being a UI Designer my self so I’m particularly sensitive to UI and workflows.

    NOT BAD! Listen to this folks :smile:

    These sounds are so exciting to me — again and again! — that it has tormented me that I can't bend KEW to my will. And now you've already moved on to SPA!

    By the way, @echoopera's soundcloud is fantatstic:
    https://soundcloud.com/policarpo-wood

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Kühl said:

    @echoopera said:
    Not to push you towards my workflow but i own both Grooverider 16 and Electribe Wave and have produced more work with Electribe Wave. Here are my examples of that work:

    link to playlist:
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYTt8s7J_3t7QG47hbpaKs6PKwAxmZCo9

    Now that I’m using it with StepPolyArp i am in bliss.

    I think one of the benefits of GR-16 is that is offers MidiOut so you can use it to sequence other synths and gear which is really cool. And the dev is just amazing.

    It’s a good time to have these problems just hard on decision making.

    But if i has to choose I’d go with electribe Wave. It just fits my workflow and style though.

    As far as Quantum...i love the features and potential the app offers, i just can’t gel with the UI...a bias from being a UI Designer my self so I’m particularly sensitive to UI and workflows.

    NOT BAD! Listen to this folks :smile:

    These sounds are so exciting to me — again and again! — that it has tormented me that I can't bend KEW to my will. And now you've already moved on to SPA!

    By the way, @echoopera's soundcloud is fantatstic:
    https://soundcloud.com/policarpo-wood

    Thanks for enjoying it. It just takes a little bit of time to get with the flow. The how-to videos on it help a lot. Honestly i just poke around, twiddle knobs and dial stuff in until it sounds and feels good. In the end i just hope others enjoy it because I’ve only been at this a short while so each track is a learning experience for me.

    Onward and upward i always say.

  • @echoopera said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Kühl said:

    @echoopera said:
    Not to push you towards my workflow but i own both Grooverider 16 and Electribe Wave and have produced more work with Electribe Wave. Here are my examples of that work:

    link to playlist:
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYTt8s7J_3t7QG47hbpaKs6PKwAxmZCo9

    Now that I’m using it with StepPolyArp i am in bliss.

    I think one of the benefits of GR-16 is that is offers MidiOut so you can use it to sequence other synths and gear which is really cool. And the dev is just amazing.

    It’s a good time to have these problems just hard on decision making.

    But if i has to choose I’d go with electribe Wave. It just fits my workflow and style though.

    As far as Quantum...i love the features and potential the app offers, i just can’t gel with the UI...a bias from being a UI Designer my self so I’m particularly sensitive to UI and workflows.

    NOT BAD! Listen to this folks :smile:

    These sounds are so exciting to me — again and again! — that it has tormented me that I can't bend KEW to my will. And now you've already moved on to SPA!

    By the way, @echoopera's soundcloud is fantatstic:
    https://soundcloud.com/policarpo-wood

    Thanks for enjoying it. It just takes a little bit of time to get with the flow. The how-to videos on it help a lot. Honestly i just poke around, twiddle knobs and dial stuff in until it sounds and feels good. In the end i just hope others enjoy it because I’ve only been at this a short while so each track is a learning experience for me.

    Onward and upward i always say.

    +1

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