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Anyone know of any complete albums or charthits that were done with the OP-1?
If I interprete this correct, the OP1 is used more for real production stuff than iOS.
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https://teenageengineering.com/products/op-z
I had 3 OP1's......I was a early adaptor.
It's a fun machine but ridiculously overpriced.
The hardware was reasonable at best.
Liked the workflow, hated the limitations.
Not an Apple fanboy at all......but the sound quality and all the possibilities and the price of the Ipad is lightyears ahead.
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I have an OP-1 and still like it a lot as an idea machine. I'm also familiar with all the criticisms of the OP-1, but I don't take them personally
I'm in wait-and-see mode on the OP-Z. I haven't heard any demos yet that don't make it sound like a chip-tune synth or drum machine whose sounds can be easily found in IOS drum apps. Nice that the sequencer has 16 tracks, but a track has only 16 steps max. Tried following along w/ Cuckoo's video but it'd be nice if someone would just make a series of shorter videos that each focus on a specific feature like what Automatic Gainsay does, or what TE sort of did with the OP-1 with their little instructional vids.
If I may, OP-1 is a musical instrument and workstation, with many things an ipad is missing: immediacy: physical control with feedback (muscle memory!), a loooooooog battery life, a line in, a line out with clock send on left channel, an always accessible 4 tracks recorder with loop regions that can be swapped in rythm, tape speed-reverse-break-stutter, 8 synths and 8 drums that can be selected instantly while you play (no load time), fm radio to sample, many types of amazing sequencers, a mixer, fx per instrument, master fx, eq, etc.
No workarounds, pure music creation.
To achieve this kind of setup on an ipad, you would need a ton of app with unstable connections with many midi controller, with an audio interface amd all the wiring required on which you’d spend most of your time setuping, and reloading and repluging... And all that would not be portable anymore and would drain your battery (device and personnal) and all that would cost you more in the end than an Op-1.
Aside from the FM Radio I’ve got all that and more on the iPad - and Auria is much easier to record with and edit than the OP-1 4 track ‘tape’ deck.
Not knocking the OP-1, they’re a lovely thing, but recording on them was a heck of a lot more fiddly than the iPad, and the resulting sound quality not as good.
I agree with you.
Korg should give the Electribe one more go at the little workstation instrument market, sound wise korg synths and effects are great (minus that effect tail cut-off on changing patterns and the dreaded popping voices)
Just improving a few issues with the design and if they would learn from previous mistakes and user feedback they could make something really special for 500 euro. I doubt they will try again though.
OP-1 owner here,I would agree that an iPad is more versatile in terms of variety of synths/sequencers/ etc and ability to do other non musical tasks however that is also its downfall as I find iOS to be jack of all trades but master of none, when it comes to music making you tend to need other things, keyboards, interfaces etc to get the job done.
The OP-1 is specifically aimed at one area, making music, and it does it incredibly well and is fairly easy to understand as well as having UI that’s simple to follow due to the clolour coding and built in Audio input/output, USB etc. So for myself personally if I want to make music I prefer the OP-1 but the iPad is s close second.
Both devices have their place in the world and overall one isn’t better than the other but once you are doing specific tasks the advantages of each item become clear.
Also I’d say the prices are in the same ballpark, if you buy an iPad Pro you’re looking at similar costs to an OP-1.
As for the OP-Z, I’m not convinced, it seems to be along the lines of a bigger more complex and expensive Pocket Operator which does not appeal to me, I had the original 3 of the P.O. series andxdokd them as I found them interesting but not intuitive enough for me.
Oh yeah, I loved the immediacy of the controls, and the arp’s and sampler are great.
But. You’re limited to the onboard synths and fx, and it’s all very lo-fi. Great for that stuff, but with the iPad I can buy a synth for a tenner and that opens up a whole new world of sound possibilities.
You must be kidding. Making a tool that has that degree of both versatility and straight forwardness is everything but easy.
The store is full of apps that do 1% of what OP-1 does. Ask a developper to make 100 of those and put them together in such a clever package would require more than « good coder » skill.
And you would still need a physical controller, and an audio interface, and fm radio, and an external battery.
Coding is one thing, designing and engineering is another.
One other downside of the OP-1 for me, at least in terms of a portable music maschine, was that you can only have one project onboard at a time. So if you wanted to work on a new song idea without losing your current work, you need to connect to a computer via USB to back it up first. There's some workarounds like using different portions of the tape machine for seperate songs, but with only 6 minutes total to work with that can be limiting as well.
The physical controls are definitely a step in the right direction compared to the iPad too, but as mentioned the encoders are plasticy and noisy, and the keys are very basic chiclets that feel like a calculator (no velocity either). Oh, and most of the work you do will be in mono, not stereo too.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fun little box and the UI and immediacy is a breath of fresh air. But there's some limitations too that most people who haven't used one might not know about. Just passing some of my findings on in case other people are thinking about getting one and don't have the chance to try one in person first.
https://noorden.bandcamp.com/album/rumble-when-bumble
Here's another:
https://natbannister.bandcamp.com/album/operator
@Philippe and how many zillion taps did it take to write that on your ipad/desktop/phone Just a few - each to their own though - i personally would not spend that much on a calculator making gimmicky music thing
I find my OP-1 is more like an instrument. The first time someone picks up a guitar, they can't do a lot and often find it limiting, especially if they come from a electronic background. But if you put in the time you realize what can be done with it. It forces me to "let go" and just "go with it", which I believe has made me better at music.
I like to make music two ways, one via an instrument like the OP-1 or piano and the other via a more structured system, like a DAW using MIDI sequencers or GR-16 or an electribe where I can keep going back and changing things until I am satisfied.
fair enough but you do know that the gimmicky part comes from the user not the op-1 or the iPad
Depends what you get instead. You’d get around £600 for it second hand, which can buy kit that might be more useful for your workflow.
Too many zillions. Everything on an ipad feels like it is hidden somewhere in a submenu, under the screen menu, and getting there requires steps with unfortunately missed step: not every tap is effective.
The point is, with a touch screen you only know a tap has been effective when you get a visual or audible feedback, your fingers gets none.
Versus a physical buttons, it is in a different order of magnitude of effectiveness.
The ipad is a jack of many many trades, but a master of not really any.
It is very very very good at visual interfaces, but I just feel that it’ll always need , for music at least, an add-on for physical input to cope with the millions of year of evolution of our hands and nervous system.
It seems it is the infancy of touch screen and interface....
just comes down to personal taste as there is some great music that has been made on Both the op-1 and the iPad that much is obvious..What I like about the op-1 is that there are limitations combined with enough time (all day batt) to overcome them or creatively address them add to that the immediacy and tactility it's no wonder why it's a great instrument. The majority of the op-1 music /beats I've come across have been well thought out because it gives you the time and comfort to do that, like those red means recording vids.
Limitations
battery life for days
immediacy
tactility
simplicity
forces you to think about what your crafting and gives you more than enough time and comfort to do it.
Thing is, a lot of stuff on the OP-1 is two taps away, and a lot of options require scrolling through sub menus. Looking through the options on a tiny, dimly lit screen is actually less user friendly than having a decent sized iPad screen in front of you, particularly if you’re on stage.
Not knocking the OP-1 but I don’t agree it’s better for music making than an iPad, just different.