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Two things:
When I was a kid I had a Gilbert chemistry set. About fifty little jars of stuff. I loved the zinc, so shiny. I loved/ hated the sulphur, so yellow cakey and smelly. Copper sulfate... Blue! I rarely used the instructions. Just mixed stuff together with large helpings of baking powder from my mom's cupboard. Fizz! Burn! Smoke! Stink! Dare I hope for a real explosion? It was magic and fun to concoct concoctions!
Secondly, I have spent my musical life after age twenty five trying first, and then succeeding in finding a different source for musical "ideas" beyond my mind's logical abilities. I had to put my judging mind aside in order to access a simpler, more connected and more magical source. I won't name it... As in the Tao that can be named is not the Tao. But it is not thought out structures, random ideas, or reconstitutions of previous material. Yes, I have a vocabulary but it is capable of new leaps of faith and risk. What is the best fun for me is certainly not right for everyone. But, for those who are attracted to such a way, it can be surprising, satisfying in depth and mystifying.
I don't use it at all. I absolutely appreciate the use. I have even agreed and +1d things in threads/betas supporting other people's wishes regarding it.
I just hardly ever write that way. If I want something that seems somewhat random, I'll instead have something on a long odd measured cycle because I really want to control frequency and placement.
Kinda the whole point of writing in the first place is that you get to be surprised by the stuff that somehow bubbles up from inside you. It seems a shame to miss out on that because of an algorithm...
As a child, i would often ask relatives to draw a squiggle on a piece of paper.
i would then take this squiggle and turn it into ... something (often a space scene or wild creature or ...)
And i got so much enjoyment from this. The blank page seemed to offer TOO MUCH possibility, and brought about - in me - a kind of 'shut-down' - as if i was overwhelmed by choice.
This is how i feel about the random seeds the great apps produce - they are my squiggles - my start points, and that adding "chance" into my creative process, allows for a little outside light to shine on my own inner workings.
That said, i find i also crave structure!
And so, for me, my ideal is a kind of "structured hapenstance" - rules and games i can use for my own particular use of the seeds produced
i should also say i Love the I Ching and the work of John Cage
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cage#Chance
I love to play my midi notes, melodies etc. live but i also love to add some random midi FX to it for velocity f.e. So it sounds almost like it could actually play a keyboard
I especially like to use arps which offer also slightly random velocity (which control the cutoff f.e.) and other values. Can bring so much life into a sound.
Even more important for iOS apps since it´s close to impossible to play expressive on a touch screen without some random values and/or probabilities.
Hold it, stop everyone, what has Oscilab to do with randomisation? There’s only one thing in the whole of Oscilab that offers randomness, and that is the choice of a random gating pattern (which once chosen remains that way). I’m not counting the noise waveform in the oscillators (which is shaped exactly like a sawtooth, for some reason) as nobody would look at the noise generator of this synth and call that alone randomisation. I can’t see anything that would make Oscilab a “great example” of randomisation at all, and if it’s just down to that random gating pattern choosing thing, that’s hardly a great example at all.
That's not how I'm using it.
I prefer to set the rhythm beforehand and let the three frequency modulation LFOs go wild, then let the pitch be quantized to the temporal events.
This is similar to how most random number generators work on digital systems without an analog noise source + ADC: Sample a rapidly incrementing counter at a rate much lower than the counting rate to get pseudo-random values.
And yes, this is completely deterministic and does not even deserve the name "random", but it sounds like it was and that's the point.
In Oscilab, you can additionally shape the melody line by drawing a pitch curve if you like.
I enjoy playing with generative apps like Gestrument/Gestrument Pro, Senode, Xynthesizr, Roseta, etc. I look forward to playing with the generative stuff built into Sunvox (mostly the "effects").
midisequencer/Tony's AU MIDI recorder project is exciting to me because it opens up the possibility of recording the MIDI events generated by these generative apps, so that I can later edit the recorded MIDI, keep the parts I like, and then progress to making finished pieces of music out of that. I was going to explore something similar with Beatmaker 2 recording Gestrument MIDI, but Tony's new thing combined with an AU framework looks to be more flexible, with easier workflow.
Random generators are pretty good starting points for me. But I usually print the midi and curate it into something I actually like. So never is it 100% random in my case.
The more I think about this, I come to the conclusion that I am more concerned about my work taking over my random attributes.
Using randomization just gives you a new instrument in your orchestra. Oh look, someone just showed up with a squonkpipe! Let’s make them the lead.
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I love this post!
I’m currently getting my “squiggles” from Xequence’s PolyHymnia IAP.
I overlay these onto a 4 bar chord progression and then tweak/nurture them into something more beautiful.
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No. Random generators just make me angry that they don’t make the same choices I would myself. All my stuff I record via touch screen keys/interfaces
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There's the start of a whole Genesis album right here...
Me & my little brother got chemistry sets for Christmas in 1972.
I was poisoned and fainted by something I mixed, and my brothers set blew up the night before Christmas Day, after he mixed something on Christmas Eve. We found the top of the cardboard box stuck to the roof
Kids are raised to be safe these days, not to be alchemists. It’s clearly audible in formatted pop music.
Back in the day musicians took risks, Mike Oldfield obviously didn’t care about radio air time... but he got it anyway because of his risk-taking. Thank you Richard Branson.
Hah! You'll never forget these lessons learned
Good to see you're still alive.
Agree emphatically with your premise but... We jam with other people to be inspired by what bubbles up in them, yes? To me, a good random implementation approximates jamming with someone else.
Shouldn't that be "None more Random" as in Spinal Tap?
Haha, I'm a misanthrope though, I always have issues with any kind of collaboration, either human or computer-aided. Except for the Drummers in GarageBand, I have no creative differences with them, they play what I tell them to.
LOL. Then, they aren't really drummers but cleverly disguised guitar players.
If only! Guitar players always have a mind of their own, it's unbearable.
Tell me something. And we're not yet talking about former guitar players now playing the bass.