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Vancouver....bilbao or iwavestation...
One of these will probably be my first gadget iap.
Leaning toward Vancouver because I don't really need to chop a sample across the keys to play different sections, rather I want to play samples I made from my other iOS synths and add some stuff to em to jam inside gadget, looks like Vancouver can add some niceness to a sample.... But if you feel bilbao maybe better, fill me in.
Also iwavestation looks like it can create pretty unique sounds and looks like it can import samples as well so maybe I could jam my sounds via it... But I dunno never messed with it 😁
Open to thoughts, suggestions
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Bilbao all day. Mine your favorite drum sounds and make folders.
From what you've said I'd say Vancouver sounds the best fit - it'll allow you to quickly load up samples and play them within Gadget. Bilbao is good, but more of a rhythmic thing. I haven't got iWAVESTATION, but not sure you can import samples with it - could be wrong.
Vancouver's a very straightforward little thing, so if you just want to quickly get and play samples within Gadget, I'd say that was the one.
At least half of my tracks in each song are instances of Bilbao. It’s just so good for getting your own stuff into Gadget. I’ve built custom drum kits with it, and created playable synths and guitars with it by importing sampled notes from other apps in specific keys and assigning them across the trigger pads. Bilbao is a must! 😁
Vancouver is fantastic for importing your own sounds, layering and mixing them to make really good playable atmospheres and pads.
Just be aware: Vancouver has a loop setting for looping a portion of your sample, which is great, BUT, there’s no crossfade control, no zero crossing control, so you inevitably get pops and clicks if you use the loop function. Better just to load up a longer sample and avoid the loop setting.
You get about 5-6 seconds of sample in Bilbao. I’ve also used it for chord stabs from other apps and even short drum loops chopped out of other apps that you can then link back together again across a few pads. Gets interesting then when you trigger the loops on and off the beats for some DnB syncopation. You can make a playable instrument out of it. Short vocal chops. It’s extremely versatile with a bit of inventive thinking outside the box. I think you’d love Bilbao and Vancouver.
Don't have Vancouver yet but I'm lagging lately on buying any more Gadget IAPs. Bilbao is solid but mainly just a sample triggerer. iWavestation is a completed different beast. Very deep and varied but it demands a lot of playing and learning to get your own sound out of it. It doesn't import samples but I don't think it needs to. It has its own IAP to buy more sounds.
Bilbao = drum sampler.
Vancouver = melodic sampler.
iWaveStation = rompler+vector synthesizer+wave sequencer
Bilbao = can do melodies, but you're limited to 10 notes. Not stuck using just one sample. Technically you could automate each pad's pitch to simulate melody within a 2 octave range. Lots of work, but works well. Great for dubstep/complextro/bass house basses, especially when using choke groups and a thick lathering of heavy compression.
Vancouver = Allows up to two samples ("oscs") that can be layered however you like. Oddly enough, I often use Vancouver over Bilbao when it comes to drums as I like to mix each individually. Unless I'm producing Synthwave, in which case I put all my drums into Bilbao to simulate how mixing would be in a hardware-centric environment.
iWavestation = The presets of this app are great for mostly atmospheric pads, but the true meat and potatoes lays buried deep beneath its surface. Unlike the Darwin where you have precious little control over each of the iM1's sound presets within Gadget, Milpitas allows you to dive into every last aspect of a preset in Gadget and even form your own presets (although for some reason, you can't get iWavestation presets into Milpitas and vice versa, which kinda sucks). iWavestation is a BEAST to wrap one's head around if one wants to dive deeper, but the presets themselves are quite lovely to use.
You guys are much help! Thanks for all the insight... From what I gather is I "need" both 😂 figures lol.
Does bilbao let you use the grain shift fx ? Cuz that's my fav for hats inside London.
@Spidericemidas ya I was wondering about the looping in Vancouver ...sounds like they need to iron that out but probably wont 😕
Well ima just get em both, maybe I'll wait for the next sale or maybe just get one now and one later...
Either way I'm loving gadget, can't believe I didn't pull the trigger months ago but now it's all fresh n fun
Sweet ! Thks for taking the time to break these down...
I too like my drums to be singled out in their own house, rather than being confined to the mfx of the channel so I could probably pull off drums with Vancouver while I wait to get bilbao ... Pretty sure I'll start there!
Bilbao was my first purchased gadget iap so I recommend that one first as well
Korg does sales numerous times a year so it’s good to wait until a sale and then grab a few gadgets to keep you busy until the next sale or gadget release
Vancouver can only load 2 samples.
You can also process your samples in AudioShare (supports IAA effects!) and then import them in bilbao.
The only thing I don't like in bilbao is the fact that you cannot tune samples by semitones, so when using tonal samples, aleays gotta re-tune by ear. Playing a sample chromatically can get annoying this way... this is where Vancouver is easier to handle.
Bilbao does have access to the grain shift effect.
I’m really feeling your excitement over Gadget! Huge Gadget fan here. I’ve used it almost every day for the past two years since joining the iOS platform for music making, and it just keeps giving and giving as far as you want to push it. There’s always a workaround to be found to get done what you want.
I’d advise you ignore the main reverb send. No frequency controls on it. Quickly muddies the mix. Better off to use the reverb on the insert fx which has finer controls for frequency.
Have fun, man!
I have Cubasis and BM3, AUM etc, all the possibilities for loading up all the AU synths and effects, I’ve tinkered with them, and they are all brilliant, BUT, I keep coming back to Gadget somehow it just suits me and my workflow. And you can import sounds from all your other apps very easily in various ways if you want.
Looking forward to hearing what you will create with Gadget!
Nicely done.
Bilbau has some super tasty presets. Love playing on it, it is just a fun gadget.
Vancouver and iWavestation I find useless but if I want wave table sounds I use Ableton. Vancouver is pretty crappy... It doesn't even have sample stretching.
You can, write and read presets both ways. The only Korg standalone that does this.
Vancouver is better at what you suggested. It’s dirty and cheap sounding...and full of pops, clicks etc
IWAVESTATION sounds like it’s stuck in the 80s and early 90s, you’d have to rip it all apart to get new stuff...and then you can’t trade patches between the stand alone and the gadget...it’s like Korg puts these weird limitations in each lap gadget....?
Bilbao is for any samples, but drums/perc would be best suited here
Vancouver is good for layering 2 drum samples and a bit of mangling with the effects.