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I was half joking, but it is a conundrum.
Doing a simple standalone (in addition to AU plugin)is quite some extra work. Doing a full standalone (with full MIDI implementation, Ableton Link, export of audio, presets, IAA, Audiobus, Audiobus MIDI, etc.) is a crapload of extra work - and for what? Standalone is going away steadily. Not to mention that standalone is typically the only thing to break with iOS updates. AUv3 is rarely an issue. So in terms of maintenance standalone is also a nightmare.
I reckon not offering a standalone is less harmful than doing a simple standalone. I can still remember the negative comments and reviews Beepstreet received for only doing a minimal sequencer for the standalone mode of Zeeon. Once you offer a standalone on iOS, everyone will demand the entire smorgasboard of iOS "standards". And typically it's not worth anything extra to people, because... iOS.
I'm unconvinced that the extra effort needed to do standalone is worth it from a development/publishing/marketing perspective.
Well AU can obviate some parts common in host but standalone could still be useful for kinds of apps (due memory limitations or workflow etc).
I bet for AU as investment and bet for standalone as wish.
While you’re here @brambos
Would it be easy enough for a dev to produce an app (host) that is designed for that stand alone duty for all the AU only apps? A very simple host that when you open it, just shows a graphic for each of your AU apps that when you touch one that app opens? The only other parts would be some settings for those ‘standards’. An app that is just a shell host to make AU apps feel like you are using them standalone?
I suppose it would be a modest project, but for the end-user it would not be that much easier than opening up AUM or Audiobus and picking the plugin from the list.
Like retronyms?
etc
It’s the visual link that I was thinking of. Opening one app and then seeing a grid of the apps icons as we see on our iPads, would be a lot quicker and would use the brains muscle memory more than : open AUM, open a channel, open the app list, choose the app, select the keyboard for app if needed - this sequence could easily be simpler and quicker for just stand alone hosting
Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean?
I buy apps that make it easier for me to make music, not because they are easier for the developers to err.... develop. I understand the frustrations with all the different formats on iOS that might need to be developed, one of my best friends and mentors is an iOS developer and I hear about it all the time. But at the same time it would be like me as a mastering engineer only ever offering M4as as the end result to my clients, and saying it's because that is what most people will ever need and I don't want to spend the time explaining to them why uncompressed or streaming optimized formats are more useful in some cases.
I'm biased though, I admit. Like I said all I ever use 95% of the time are standalone apps as I have no desire to run multiple apps at once.
Sure, but that wasn't my point. Just explaining why I probably prefer losing a handful of sales by not doing a standalone over the incessant hassle of making, maintaining and supporting IAA versions anymore. iOS App economics are a constant balancing act
I hear you. I really feel for iOS developers, it's hard enough keeping up with all the things Apple breaks in updates and with new hardware. Then you have us picky lot to deal with as well, sheesh!
Yeah I agree AUv3 is the format to have if resources are tight and there can be only one option.
But It just depends on the app. Some are more suited to standalone than others. A company like Sugar bytes will deliver both because their apps are designed that way, and it's the same for them on desktop.
I don't believe that standalone plugins will ever completely go away though because mobile is suited to it, especially on really small screened devices like iphones.
I just think people have to expect standalones not to have IAA if there is a full AU version available.
I was kidding about retronyms and their tabletop app which nearly fits the description but not. Also Gadget could be used as example. They seem hosts but they are standalone...
I still think the bottom line is the app itself, there will always be pros and cons to any situation but if a dev builds a great app then the buyers will come. For all of the money theories surrounding iOS if nothing else it's proven that people will spend money on anything. I know people on this forum who complain about the cost of desktop apps who've spent gazillions on iPad apps they don't even use.
look at the playground app... they're selling these sample packs and stuff but there isn't a beat maker alive who owns an iOS device that wouldn't spend 40bucks on the app if it allowed you to import/edit/export your own samples. They wouldn't even have to sell sample packs.... just an example.
people are always talking about figuring out what people want and needing to do research etc... of the base , but what the people want and what they'll spend money on is already a known variable... I love novation but look how almost every conversation with them is like they were just born yesterday and have no idea what people like
ios is the only platform where people just throw money at apps and forgot that they even had purchased the app already haha it's crazy... imagine how much we'd spend if people actually got the opportunity to buy apps they requested.
we need two things to make the world a better place today, better beat machine apps and better werewolf movies.
That’s probably because the same novation which released launchpad app at the first time isn’t the same @AmpifyxNovation that later go standalone (
Did you see what I’ve done there?) than actually is Ampify after they restructured their asses themselves.
I can’t be so sure but it makes sense in my mind about timming and nosense about how they can not manage hardsoft integration, request and criticism. Seems to much effort moving chairs and tables between offices and few attention to users so then when Apple wrecks a iOS (tic toc development lol) ends with us ready to make an harakiri...
So maybe it’s not only you going nuts mate, maybe there is something rear the curtains we can’t see ( transformeeeers more than meets the eeeyyeeeeeeee )
:}
who knows Dubby, who knows.. (not me)
The new keyboard seems pointing towards something. Also have a @AmpifyxNovation member back in the forum could be something too... or just another year without news
hehe
Ok guys, OT end. You can continue discussing about ampify apps going AUv3...
when will we get some warp markers in blocs wave?
that's what I'd like to know
As do I.
Let me ask.
Gadget version vs. Stand alone
Sound the same?