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Digitakt, es2, ...... To sample iOS into
So I want a sampler to arrange iOS stuff in, the digitakt looks amazing, I'm just concerned about tf it only samples in mono....i don't want to kill my stereo field on drones and pads.... The es2 is cheaper but the way it does stereo sampling to 2 pads seems like it would be ridiculous, but I've never used it...
What are you guys using / thinking....i feel like octatrack is more than I wanna learn right now and moor than I wanna spend but if it's the one, I might
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I would have bought a Digitakt on release if it had had stereo sampling. That ended up being a dealbreaker and I decided on the Octatrack Mk2. Took a while to save up but now I couldn’t be happier.
Yep, it’s taking a while to learn all it can do. Assuming you want the immediacy of the Digitakt, it’s worth knowing that the sampling in the Octatrack is fairly immediate once you’ve learned how to do it. Just a bit less intuitive at the beginning. Once you know, you know. The main issue then is staying focussed on that part of its functionality and not getting overwhelmed with all the other things it can do.
The architecture of the Digitakt seems way more focussed, and the internal reverb sounds better than most of the Octatrack’s effects. I love the Octatrack filter though, and a few of the others. It’s loads of fun controlling effects parameters with Scenes and the crossfader.
All things considered, both machines seem to be great matches for iOS. It’s possible the immediacy of the Digitakt might make up for the mono-ness for some people.
Best of luck.
+1 @handed
Don’t have an Octotrack but great response.
If you don't feel like learning to handle the octatrack then I'm sure it won't be "the one" for you. Your available time and patience have a high impact on the music making process.
I have started making music on iOS because it was often a more immediate, quicker way to get my ideas into the box, and it hasn't changed.
The Digitakt is far from an all-round device but its features and usability (to me) felt very inviting to sample, experiment and tweak samples, and it fills the gap KORG has left with its childish sampling toys (Sorry, they don't even sample, do they?).
Yes it's mono (dunno if they'll ever do a firmware update with stereo support) but it has been less of an issue than I thought, maybe because I would never sample stereo pads with it. Why should I, iOS is good for pads. It's only one more sound source for rhythm, fx and chord/stab hits here.
Instead of sampling synths I'd either use one of the MIDI tracks to control one or play them in Gadget.
The Octatrack wouldn't really give me an easier workflow than Ableton Live with all its modules and Max4Live user gadgets, so I would personally rather "go Live" and have total recall at a much broader level.
In my opinion it pays to find out at what point in your music making flow you draw the line and leave iOS and hardware grooveboxes/synths/samplers - it could be iOS/hardware for inspiration, playful experimentation and basic composition, then a desktop DAW for the more detailed work.
A number of apps have Ableton Live export, so getting stuff over is mostly straightforward.
Doing this has cured my hope for an ever-expanding list of app feature requests becoming reality, and it has also cured the GAS for yet another new hardware.
One thing I cannot do without is MIDI clock sync between iOS and the Digitakt, so I can run both in sync without issues. In your case, the synth pads would come from Gadget and the more "industrial" sounding stuff would come from Groove Rider.
Both sync to the Digitakt perfectly.
Have you considered mpcs?
Sure, if you need stereo samples beyond delay and reverb, the DT is not going to be an option.
I have a little Faderfox with crossfader and a 4-knob endless controller next to the keyboard and mouse, and Ableton has great Crossfader and endless controller support, even without the Push controller. I find it very immediate and fast to use, although you get a very different concept and doing p-locks and trig conditions needs some preparation and addons (p-locks at least
The OT is an incredibly powerful machine, no question, there just seem to be as many die-hard fans of it as there are guys who sold it soon because they're either not clicking with the workflow or it would take them too long to learn while they could make music instead.
One can only find out hands-on.
The first time I used an Octatrack I said: Errr... no. Too many menu diving steps. (Although the mk2 is indeed an improvement to some extent)
The first time I used a Digitakt I knew I wanted it!
I absolutely have to try this one soon
As for live sampling, one that's hard to beat is NanoStudio 1, you can just use it as a sampler without the sequencing features.
Fast, easy, low latency. Even on an iPad 1, believe it or not.
I've used all of the above.
Here are my two cents:
• Digitakt doesn't do chords. Well it can, but it's a freaking nightmare. You need to put the same sound on different slots and resample a chord. Kills the vibe!
• Octatrack doesn't do chords either. It's a bitch to work with, and it's expensive. Looks awesome though
• Electribe 2 Sampler: if you forgive them for being so stupid with the sample management process, it will bring you joy. It does chords, it's very easy to work with and it's very inspirational.
• MPC Live: This thing is a beast. It also has a learning curve, but way better than Octatrack. It does Ableton Link so you can sample your iPad stuff IN FREAKING SYNC! It has timestretch and all that good stuff. It's also cheaper than OT. And MIDI Over bluetooth.
• Deluge: my current gadget. I love this thing. It's like GrooveRider GR16 in a box. It does everything: timestretch, sampling, resampling, sample based synthesis, you name it. The sample management is rudimentary though. It saves RECORDING001, 002... etc. No way to edit those from the device. But some smart guys are using a WIFI SD Card and there's a web app which you can use on your phone to manage your card stuff. Mind blowing. Also Deluge is small, portable, battery powered and has a (crappy) speaker also.
Hope this helps.
I never said it's stupid. I know it can do A LOT. But I find it very hard to work with. Lots of menu diving, and shortcuts which need to be learnt. It can be daunting. I had an MPC 1000 at that time with JJOS and I found that much better.
So the Deluge does stereo sampling?
I look at it this way, the digitakt is so fun that it's fun enough to get in addition to whatever else you get.
throw some pedals on the digi and mono is manageable. Something like the ventris reverb
That'll definitely keep you busy for a while
And if Ableton isn't fun either, try going A Capella. But mind you, it's mono as well.
I've had the OT for 2 years and don't see myself getting rid of it. To name one feature: Scenes! At the same time, for playing live I'm still on a quest for another machine for "core" drums. Running drums, bass, melody lines and more the sound can get murky (partly adreeable using studio mode for 4 outs). The compressor on master channel works well when dealing with only drums/perc, but with a whole track, dynamics are quickly lost.
I always sample external gear into daw then transfer, rather than record direct into the OT. Less hastle and better sound quality. 24 bit samles only. I do resample / mixdown tracks in the OT.
I haven't into live looping/effecting.
For basic drum sequencing the Digitakt looks more promising, or an excellent partner for the OT . Mono channels = better for single hits and bass (in theory at least). A big downside to the DT is only stereo out.
Both the OT and DT have been discussed to death. But for iOS users looking for a HW sequencer, the OT is v good for sequencing iOS apps, and I expect the DT to be equally capable for this (if its OS is now stable). and so much more. But if you want core drums in HW sequencer sampler, and have synths/soundscapes / in iOS, the Digitakt would be sufficient and probably preferable sonically. If you want to mangle stereo samples in a way no other hardware can - OT