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  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @Hmtx said:

    @knewspeak said:
    ... it would be interesting to see if the PCI-e is just a sata-bridge.

    that would be unfortunate. At the advertised SSD speeds, you would think this has to be a true PCI-e nvme.

    Hope it's a true PCI-e nvme too, but it will be interesting when someone takes a look inside.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @knewspeak said:

    @Hmtx said:

    @knewspeak said:
    ... it would be interesting to see if the PCI-e is just a sata-bridge.

    that would be unfortunate. At the advertised SSD speeds, you would think this has to be a true PCI-e nvme.

    Hope it's a true PCI-e nvme too, but it will be interesting when someone takes a look inside.

    They’ll do a tear-down thing soon, so we should get to see.

  • HmtxHmtx
    edited November 2018

    @MonzoPro said:
    They’ll do a tear-down thing soon, so we should get to see.

    Tom's Guide opened it up https://www.tomsguide.com/us/mac-mini,review-5908.html

    They said:

    The PCIe-connected SSD is soldered to the logic board, making the flash storage modules all but impossible to remove and replace.

    boo!

    and they also said:

    The 2018 model offers more traditional SO-DIMM slots, so you can swap out RAM, allowing you to upgrade the unit after purchase

    yeah!!

    I still will be looking for a complete teardown from iFixit

  • rs2000rs2000

    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

  • greengrocergreengrocer

    @MonzoPro said:

    Logic Pro X is fine, a few Plugins need upgrading, but that's pretty much the usual case.

    Of course the bugs will be ironed out. But in my opinion nearly all new Mac OS realeses are beta versions. And that's not a good thing. btw with Mojave it seems harder to downgrade than ever. iOS policies seems to be implemented also on Mac OS nowadays.

    You could run several different versions of Mac OSX via external USB if you wished.

    This is what I'm doing now - I run an older version of OSX on the SSD, and a later version on the MBP internal HD.

    How? Would like to see a link.

  • greengrocergreengrocer

    @rthr said:

    @greengrocer said:
    Mojave is still buggy even Ableton doesn't run on it (yet). Enormous problem because 9 is incompatible with Mojave and 10 (the only Ableton version avaible) is still in beta. Most Macheads I know are still using El Capitan.

    Doesn't run on Mojave? Live 10 (non-beta) over here works pretty good as far as I can tell...

    From Ableton website:

    macOS 10.14 "Mojave" Compatibility

    Live 10 is not yet fully compatible with macOS Mojave.
Live 9 is not compatible with macOS Mojave. The last OS version that is compatible with Live 9 is 10.13 "High Sierra".

    Important: We advise users to wait until a fully compatible version of Live 10 is released before updating to macOS Mojave. Join the Live 10 Beta to receive the very latest updates.

    https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-MacOS-Compatibility

  • bertbert

    @MonzoPro Thanks for your links. Was expecting that kind of performance already. Had seen stellar performance of the quadcore i3 before.

  • KühlKühl

    @MonzoPro said:

    I’m going to buy one, but must save some money first. Or rob a bank. I’m almost tempted go break bad setting up a meth lab 🧪 to get one. I’m salivating!

    I’m using a Mac mini from mid 2011, running Pro Tools 10. My dilemma is that it’s still working like a charm, after I upgraded with 16 gigs and an ssd. And my controller soundcard mixer Digi 003 isn’t supported on new macs...
    The whole thing is build into my studio trailer motor home, so changing the mini would be easy, but I’ll lose the mixer. Perhaps I could toss it out if my 2 iPad Pros could somehow replace it... any ideas 💡?

  • o_imsengo_imseng

    It's a shame Live 9 won't be compatible. Really bugs me a lot! As if the underlying architecture would be so different with 10. They just want to force you to upgrade.

  • tomato_juicetomato_juice

    I think this new Mini might be the one for me.

    As others have pointed out, supposedly you can do the RAM upgrade yourself with ‘a modicum of skill’, a security torx set and something called a ‘spudger’, but you’ll be stuck with the SSD and processor that you choose at time of purchase.
    https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/06/mac-mini-2018-review-apples-mightiest-mini-yet

    I’m inclined to go with a maxed-out CPU. My macs have always lasted a long time (still on a 2009 MacBook Pro) and I don’t want future me to be resentful.

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited November 2018

    @tomato_juice said:
    I think this new Mini might be the one for me.

    As others have pointed out, supposedly you can do the RAM upgrade yourself with ‘a modicum of skill’, a security torx set and something called a ‘spudger’, but you’ll be stuck with the SSD and processor that you choose at time of purchase.
    https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/06/mac-mini-2018-review-apples-mightiest-mini-yet

    I’m inclined to go with a maxed-out CPU. My macs have always lasted a long time (still on a 2009 MacBook Pro) and I don’t want future me to be resentful.

    Don't forget to compare single-core performance with multi-core power.
    If you're going to use CPU-hungry virtual synths, you'll need high single-core performance.
    A high number of audio and instrument tracks and effects will ask for more cores.
    And be prepared to put it into the junk bin when the SSD is dead.

  • buskerbusker

    @rs2000 said:
    And be prepared to put it into the junk bin when the SSD is dead.

    No need, it will happily boot from an external Thunderbolt or USB3 SSD

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Kühl said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I’m going to buy one, but must save some money first. Or rob a bank. I’m almost tempted go break bad setting up a meth lab 🧪 to get one. I’m salivating!

    I’m using a Mac mini from mid 2011, running Pro Tools 10. My dilemma is that it’s still working like a charm, after I upgraded with 16 gigs and an ssd. And my controller soundcard mixer Digi 003 isn’t supported on new macs...
    The whole thing is build into my studio trailer motor home, so changing the mini would be easy, but I’ll lose the mixer. Perhaps I could toss it out if my 2 iPad Pros could somehow replace it... any ideas 💡?

    Sounds like it’s working well for you already, so unless you need the speed boost maybe stick with what you have. Is it a software incompatibility with your soundcard? If so you could clone the drive onto an external SSD, and still get the speed boost.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited November 2018

    @rs2000 said:
    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

    I’d probably use a couple of 500gb internal drives in a case. One would be my current self-booting ‘music’ drive, and another one for basic work stuff file storage to compliment the Mini’s SSD.

    They’re so cheap these days you can have a few, and I quite like the idea of not having everything on one drive.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

    I’d probably use a couple of 500gb internal drives in a case. One would be my current self-booting ‘music’ drive, and another one for basic work stuff file storage to compliment the Mini’s SSD.

    They’re so cheap these days you can have a few, and I quite like the idea of not having everything on one drive.

    In that case it's not that "Mini" anymore but you're right, the box will most likely not move frequently ... so what ;)

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    Yes, @kuhl. Send me that mini!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

    I’d probably use a couple of 500gb internal drives in a case. One would be my current self-booting ‘music’ drive, and another one for basic work stuff file storage to compliment the Mini’s SSD.

    They’re so cheap these days you can have a few, and I quite like the idea of not having everything on one drive.

    In that case it's not that "Mini" anymore but you're right, the box will most likely not move frequently ... so what ;)

    It’s a desktop replacement for me, and significantly smaller than my Dell desktop tower!

    The Mini should do me nicely for work, and even a sneaky bit of music making when Mrs Monzo’s out :)

  • rs2000rs2000

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

    I’d probably use a couple of 500gb internal drives in a case. One would be my current self-booting ‘music’ drive, and another one for basic work stuff file storage to compliment the Mini’s SSD.

    They’re so cheap these days you can have a few, and I quite like the idea of not having everything on one drive.

    In that case it's not that "Mini" anymore but you're right, the box will most likely not move frequently ... so what ;)

    It’s a desktop replacement for me, and significantly smaller than my Dell desktop tower!

    The Mini should do me nicely for work, and even a sneaky bit of music making when Mrs Monzo’s out :)

    And it'll likely perform better than a Macbook with the same CPU because it will use its internal fan instead of throttling CPU clock speed.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The SSD is said to be soldered, so the new Mac Mini purchase goes with a large external USB3 SSD for anyone not planning to waste money.

    I’d probably use a couple of 500gb internal drives in a case. One would be my current self-booting ‘music’ drive, and another one for basic work stuff file storage to compliment the Mini’s SSD.

    They’re so cheap these days you can have a few, and I quite like the idea of not having everything on one drive.

    In that case it's not that "Mini" anymore but you're right, the box will most likely not move frequently ... so what ;)

    It’s a desktop replacement for me, and significantly smaller than my Dell desktop tower!

    The Mini should do me nicely for work, and even a sneaky bit of music making when Mrs Monzo’s out :)

    And it'll likely perform better than a Macbook with the same CPU because it will use its internal fan instead of throttling CPU clock speed.

    Ah that’s good to hear. The processor is a bit faster than my 2012 MBP, which works well with an SSD, so it all helps.

  • rthrrthr
    edited November 2018

    @greengrocer said:
    From Ableton website:

    macOS 10.14 "Mojave" Compatibility

    Live 10 is not yet fully compatible with macOS Mojave.
Live 9 is not compatible with macOS Mojave. The last OS version that is compatible with Live 9 is 10.13 "High Sierra".

    Note the difference between "is not yet fully compatible" and "doesn't run on it".

    It does. There might be issues depending on your system.

  • tomato_juicetomato_juice

    @rs2000 said:
    Don't forget to compare single-core performance with multi-core power.
    If you're going to use CPU-hungry virtual synths, you'll need high single-core performance.
    A high number of audio and instrument tracks and effects will ask for more cores.
    And be prepared to put it into the junk bin when the SSD is dead.

    CPU is my main reason for upgrading. This mid-2009 MBP scores 1574 (single) and 2609 (multi) and I know its limits, which is a help when making sense of benchmark figures. Ableton's a struggle with more than a few tracks/plugins, and kind of a crash fest (although the 10.0.5 update seems to have done something good there). Various soft synths are a no-go. Looking at you, u-he.

    Incidentally, the old laptop loves Reason 10 and u-he's Hive. Doesn't even break a sweat. If only all code was optimised so well.

    Anyway, the (provisional) new benchmarks suggest that I will be happier.

  • kinkujinkinkujin
    edited November 2018

    @LinearLineman said:
    What version of an older mac mini would be good to run multiple vsts on?

    Check my mind, but I think the 2012 minis were the last ones that you could upgrade ram and hard drives on. This makes them the choice for folks who need the extra power and storage.

    What I like about these are firewire and thunderbolt and of course the ability to add more ram easily. Those of us who still have firewire kicking around (apogee in my case) find these firewire ports still useful and then thunderbolt for the future (used) possibilities. Hey, i'm cheap.

    https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-i5-2.5-late-2012-specs.html

    (note - this quote may be pertinent - "A second hard drive or SSD also can be installed, although it is not formally supported.")

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    OWC sells kits for second drive.

  • HmtxHmtx

    @Dubbylabby said:
    OWC sells kits for second drive.

    the OWC kits are for a second drive in 2012 or 2014 Mac Mini, not the new 2018 model. (just a clarification for anyone else who opened this thread about the 2018 Mini and thought we would be discussing the 2018 Mini.)

  • rs2000rs2000

    @tomato_juice said:
    Looking at you, u-he.

    Funny, they're exactly who I had in mind :D
    You get some quality sound in return tho.

  • tomato_juicetomato_juice

    @rs2000 said:

    @tomato_juice said:
    Looking at you, u-he.

    Funny, they're exactly who I had in mind :D
    You get some quality sound in return tho.

    You do, it’s true. They take advantage of multiple cores, which should help. Repro does, at least.

    It’s a slippery slope this new computer thing. Out-of-reach software will be within reach. It might get costly.

    Black Friday’s coming, though.

    I might try to distract myself for the next 3 1/2 weeks by writing some music or something like that.

  • KühlKühl

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Kühl said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I’m going to buy one, but must save some money first. Or rob a bank. I’m almost tempted go break bad setting up a meth lab 🧪 to get one. I’m salivating!

    I’m using a Mac mini from mid 2011, running Pro Tools 10. My dilemma is that it’s still working like a charm, after I upgraded with 16 gigs and an ssd. And my controller soundcard mixer Digi 003 isn’t supported on new macs...
    The whole thing is build into my studio trailer motor home, so changing the mini would be easy, but I’ll lose the mixer. Perhaps I could toss it out if my 2 iPad Pros could somehow replace it... any ideas 💡?

    Sounds like it’s working well for you already, so unless you need the speed boost maybe stick with what you have. Is it a software incompatibility with your soundcard? If so you could clone the drive onto an external SSD, and still get the speed boost.

    It’s like this: the last working driver for the soundcard is for Mountain Lion. That’s if I want to use Pro Tools 10, wich I own. There is a newer driver, working in Sierra, but then I have to buy Pro Tools 12 (that driver doesn’t support PT10)... however... I’m suspecting the he’s macs will be delivered with Mojave... so... I think I’ll stick with the workhorse.

    I read they made the mini the same form factor as before because of people like me, that has fitted it in a specific setup. Apple irony :)

  • KühlKühl

    Oh... @LinearLineman

    You’re so blue today my friend :)

  • KühlKühl

    @Dubbylabby said:
    OWC sells kits for second drive.

    I’ve imported kits from them to Europe.

    OWC has top service, the best I’ve ever experienced.
    Just saying.

  • MarkRMarkR

    @Kühl said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    OWC sells kits for second drive.

    I’ve imported kits from them to Europe.

    OWC has top service, the best I’ve ever experienced.
    Just saying.

    I'll second that. Six months ago I bought from them a 2011 iMac that had been refurbed with 12G RAM and a 1T SSD. A fab deal!

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