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New iPad Pros 2018 look like :-) USB-C heaven (-: for musicians

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  • @gkillmaster said:

    @sch said:

    @gkillmaster said:
    Thank you @Hmtx ! Do you know if Cable Creation cables are decent, or do you know of one you know is decent?

    I just received a couple for my iPad Pro and they are very nice. Well made and quite sturdy.

    Yay! Thanks. Is there any issue with getting one 15'? will order now...

    Dunno... mine are both just 2m.

  • edited November 2018

    @Hmtx said:
    @Dubbylabby that imore.com article is very informative, worth the 5 minute read.
    also a good point to remember that there is no Thunderbolt support. thanks for that

    I still think we are at one of those rare convergences where "Apple being Apple" also gives us end-users an objectively better product.

    ...think about it. remember when we were just shocked to discover that USB audio and MIDI devices actually worked over CCK? and even more amazed when the Apple Store started listing Audio/MIDI on the CCK product page (providing official support for it).
    The fact is that iOS is finally moving past lightning port workarounds and into standardized USB-C. This is nothing but good news, even if it takes a while to sort out the limitations and parameters of what will or won't work.

    ...I mean it's just kind of funny to think that some of us iOS musicians are worried/upset that Apple is dropping the lightning port, which was always a hacked together workaround for music and MIDI.

    Agreed. I think is positive for the platform even Apple are going for other market segments and we are a niche for sure. I only wanted to point calm down and let's study all the info right before burn the mastercard :trollface:

    In such convergence I still see more value for buck in old mac line than new iPad pro line but it's a matter of time (and money). If I can manage to buy Stagelight mac and iPad through the hole I will be very pleased and I will not worry about Logic or Ableton on iOS for a long time... I can't afford one of the new iDevices so :sweat_smile: ...

    I'm glad you find informative the article. It was discussing with other forum members around the internet where I made a focused search which rewarded me with that info. ATM I don't need that but you know... I'm that kind of nerd :sunglasses:

  • Connect a hard drive to iPad Pro 2018...?

  • edited November 2018

    Nice video... not very informative but cool. For those that don’t want to waste their time, the video just shows:
    1. That the new iPad handles videos and photos exactly the same as before, just over USB-C now.
    2. The rest of the video is basically an advertisement for gnarbox, an app/ external hard five that works with LumaFusion to allow you to store and edit video files externally and access external drives over wi-fi. Honestly it seems like a waste of money. Just use a NAS on your home wifi, way cheaper. Even a mobile wi-fi router would do the job almost as good for about $400 less.

    [edit: sorry to be kinda pissy about this, I just get bothered when it feels like a video is click-bait. I would have been totally fine with it if the YouTuber had just titled the video “Gnarbox demo on iPad 2018” instead of choosing a title that suggests the video has anything to do with general file access for external drives on the new iPad. And who knows, maybe gnarbox allows general file access ? ? ? But this video gives zero answers about that. Skip it]

  • edited November 2018

    Why not expand your icloud storage or will it still defeat the purpose for an apple music app user? For example if I were to buy a smaller IPAD for storage> How would you be able to store your audio projects on another external device?

    The way I understand - external drives in this example is just moving images back and forth not real musician streaming capability? Not understanding all this so maybe someone can help as I was thinking of getting the 256 GB internal storage so that you can download lots of apps and have it all in one place rather than transfer stuff back and forth that you cannot use in "real time"

  • This is for media storage, not apps. Media is storage demanding. I'm a photo guy and shoot raw. When I'm actively shooting, say on vacation or multiday family event, I might take 256 GB of photos. Even after culling that adds up, especially once you start editing and maintaining multiple copies. Video is astronomically worse. :) Icloud doesn't help for scratch space while you're working, and isn't really an option a lot of times due to limited bandwidth, assuming you even have Internet access.

    Music creation is less demanding, but as the iPad gets treated as a more serious platform it would be really nice to offload libraries. I have a 1TB SSD in an external housing for my Mac to hold Komplete, Ableton, and Logic libraries. The Apple tax is high to have that much storage on an iPad, and doesn't begin to cover the demands of video editing.

  • Any Dock recommendations so far ?

  • Just in case it helps anyone, I tried one of these and it doesn’t work with iPad Pro 11

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/UK-Type-C-to-3-5mm-Jack-Audio-Headphone-USB-C-Charging-Adapter-Splitter-Cable/232989065850

  • Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

  • @gregsmith said:
    Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

    I got the Kingston Nucleum hub. It doesn’t have a 3.5mm port but it has two USB C ports. If you can find something with two USB C ports you can use Apple’s USB C to 3.5mm adapter on it like I did. Works great

  • @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

    I got the Kingston Nucleum hub. It doesn’t have a 3.5mm port but it has two USB C ports. If you can find something with two USB C ports you can use Apple’s USB C to 3.5mm adapter on it like I did. Works great

    Thanks, nice tip. Still if I’m spending that much, might as well go for the satechi or hyperdrive I guess.

  • edited December 2018

    USB c has been awesome, everything works, audiofuse, midi controllers, even a Logitech wireless receiver with WiFi headphones work, which is awesome cuz of Bluetooth latency. But ya, it’s been good so far. Plus, even off brand random hubs all seem to play nice, for 40 bucks, I got a really nice one.
    Get right angle cables all around, you’ll thank yourself.

  • I’ve tried a few. I like this one so far:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/i-tec-USB-C-Metal-Docking-Station/dp/B07679B4NG/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&qid=1545721936&sr=8-27&keywords=i-tec+docking+station

    It’s a small-ish desktop box, with detachable cable. I prefer it to the sort-tail dongles that hang off the side. It has a 3.5mm jack, but this often steals the connection away from my USB-C audio interface. You have to switch the hub on before the interface.

  • @gregsmith said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

    I got the Kingston Nucleum hub. It doesn’t have a 3.5mm port but it has two USB C ports. If you can find something with two USB C ports you can use Apple’s USB C to 3.5mm adapter on it like I did. Works great

    Thanks, nice tip. Still if I’m spending that much, might as well go for the satechi or hyperdrive I guess.

    Yea those are cool until you use a different case where the hub sit flush with the device. Not knocking them although I had an issue with the hyperdrive solo’s 3.5mm port being absolute trash

  • edited December 2018

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

    I got the Kingston Nucleum hub. It doesn’t have a 3.5mm port but it has two USB C ports. If you can find something with two USB C ports you can use Apple’s USB C to 3.5mm adapter on it like I did. Works great

    Thanks, nice tip. Still if I’m spending that much, might as well go for the satechi or hyperdrive I guess.

    Yea those are cool until you use a different case where the hub sit flush with the device. Not knocking them although I had an issue with the hyperdrive solo’s 3.5mm port being absolute trash

    Yeah that would be a dealbreaker tbf. Might wait to see if they’ve improved the 3.5 for this one before getting one.

    Do you have any experience of the satechi one?

  • @gregsmith said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Ok I’ve looked through a lot of suggestions. Hyperdrive and the satechi similar one seem a bit pricey for what they are and I don’t need the hdmi. Has anyone found anything that’s got 3.5mm, usb, and USB-C charge that works and available in the UK?

    I got the Kingston Nucleum hub. It doesn’t have a 3.5mm port but it has two USB C ports. If you can find something with two USB C ports you can use Apple’s USB C to 3.5mm adapter on it like I did. Works great

    Thanks, nice tip. Still if I’m spending that much, might as well go for the satechi or hyperdrive I guess.

    Yea those are cool until you use a different case where the hub sit flush with the device. Not knocking them although I had an issue with the hyperdrive solo’s 3.5mm port being absolute trash

    Yeah that would be a dealbreaker tbf. Might wait to see if they’ve improved the 3.5 for this one before getting one.

    Do you have any experience of the satechi one?

    Nope. I return the hyperdrive and got the Kingston nucleum and haven’t looked back

  • Would a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 USB interface (https://focusrite.com/usb-audio-interface/scarlett/scarlett-18i20) work with the new USB-C 2018 iPad Pro? If so, would it allow simultaneous multi-track recording in GarageBand and if so for how many tracks? Thanks.

  • I bought one of these to use with my ipad pro:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FCD3JZP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    And the old USB hub that works fine with my old ipad and hardware set up, but unfortunately doesn't seem to work with the pro - is there any way of testing whether it's the splitter dongle or the hub that's the issue before I fork out more cash for one or the other?

    Any help gratefully received, thanks!

  • @louis_helpits said:
    I bought one of these to use with my ipad pro:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FCD3JZP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    And the old USB hub that works fine with my old ipad and hardware set up, but unfortunately doesn't seem to work with the pro - is there any way of testing whether it's the splitter dongle or the hub that's the issue before I fork out more cash for one or the other?

    Any help gratefully received, thanks!

    That adapter has USB-C to USB-C, so, presumably, your hub has as USB-C plug or you're using an adapter.

    Does the hub work directly with the iPad, without this adapter?

    If you have other USB-C devices or an adapter, do they work when plugged directly into the adapter, skipping the hub?

    Just try to remove variables to see what works and what doesn't.

    FWIW, reading the product description it talks about being a "charging adapter", so maybe it's just passing power? Or, if you're using one, possibly the USB-C to USB-B adapter is just a power cord?
    I'm less inclined to think a basic hub that works elsewhere doesn't work with the iPad.

  • Yep, usb c to usb b cable from splitter into the hub.

    Hub works absolutely fine with cck and my old iPad mini.

    Must be the splitter then I guess, although I thought it was one linked to from this thread and it’s exactly what I need as I run hardware off the hub but also need the audio from the iPad to go into the mixer, aaargn

  • @stellavista said:
    Would a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 USB interface (https://focusrite.com/usb-audio-interface/scarlett/scarlett-18i20) work with the new USB-C 2018 iPad Pro? If so, would it allow simultaneous multi-track recording in GarageBand and if so for how many tracks? Thanks.

    It worked on my iPad Pro 2018 the other day using my USB hub. I didn’t even need to have my iPad plugged into power. I didn’t test the inputs tho

  • Actually, could it be the usb c to usb b cable that’s failing?

    @louis_helpits said:
    Yep, usb c to usb b cable from splitter into the hub.

    Hub works absolutely fine with cck and my old iPad mini.

    Must be the splitter then I guess, although I thought it was one linked to from this thread and it’s exactly what I need as I run hardware off the hub but also need the audio from the iPad to go into the mixer, aaargn

  • I have a very strange behavior with my HYPER USB-C Hub from Kickstarter.
    Until now I only used it with my audio technica headphones and that jack worked super fine. Inspired by the thread about the new iPad mini I wanted to try the performance with my Bose soundlink connected with 3,5mm cable to my hyper usbc hub... but signal was only coming out of the iPad speaker?! I changed the cable three times, always coming out of the iPad speaker. I changed the speaker and hooked it up to my Logitech I use for TV. Signal coming out of the ipad speaker. Ok thought I lost my mind.... used the headphones again... they work.

    So question: can somehow a headphone jack notice if the plugged in device is a headphone or some speakers?
    I have a 6,79€ amazon audio usb interface which works in all cases. Wtf?

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  • I wrote the support of the Hyper Hub and I am curious what they will say to this issue. Very strange and annoying for sure. Hopefully they can sort it out through a firmware update or whatever.

  • edited August 2019

    I cannot Find the more recent thread about this, but I wanted to share a USB-C hub that I finally like. It is small (yeah!) but has a detachable USB-C host cable so that it can work with any standard 12 - 18 inch USB-C cable and sit behind the iPad, out of sight. Much better than the precarious dangling off the side of the iPad like all the other dongle/hub designs.

    Inateck USB C Hub, 8 in 1 Type C Adapter

    This was the one thing holding me back from upgrading to 2018 Pro 12.9. ...now I can start dreaming again. :)

  • @Hmtx said:
    I cannot Find the more recent thread about this, but I wanted to share a USB-C hub that I finally like. It is small (yeah!) but has a detachable USB-C host cable so that it can work with any standard 12 - 18 inch USB-C cable and sit behind the iPad, out of sight. Much better than the precarious dangling off the side of the iPad like all the other dongle/hub designs.

    Inateck USB C Hub, 8 in 1 Type C Adapter

    This was the one thing holding me back from upgrading to 2018 Pro 12.9. ...now I can start dreaming again. :)

    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/j5create-usb-type-c-to-hdmi-external-video-adapter-white/5930600.p?skuId=5930600
    Just got this bad boy and it works like a charm.
    Steinberg UR44 > j5> 2018 Pro 11”.
    Charges and works flawlessly. So far.
    That Inateck looks like it does it all. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Hmtx That looks great! Well, it looks ugly, but you know what I mean. Plus all the important ports are along one side, so you can let the cables dangle behind a desk.

    One thing to note for anyone using a hub with a removable cable. Longer cables don't support full USB-3 speeds.

    Not that we need it for music, but in iOS 13, when plugging in an external USB drive, don't use a 2-meter cable.

  • @mistercharlie. Good to know. Was not aware of that. What is the max length we should use? Or is it just shorter is better?

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