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When will we see a direct modulation assignation between midi AUv3 ?

PhilippePhilippe
in General App Discussion

iOS AUv3 midi hosts have become more and more flexible with routing possibilities, but menu diving to connect modulation sources and destinations is not what touch screen users are dreaming of.

Will any of the available AUv3 hosts ever allow users to connect sources and destinations by simply touching their UIs, as if they were modules of the same environment?
Or will a new player give us that option?

Comments

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    Ape matrix maybe?

  • wimwim
    edited November 2018

    That would be interesting. A host where you could connect apps by drawing lines between their icons in a kind of map. There would need to be two types of connections - audio and midi.

    FL Studio on the PC has this in its Patcher plugin. It's awesome.

  • PhilippePhilippe

    @wim said:
    That would be interesting. A host where you could connect apps by drawing lines between their icons in a kind of map. There would need to be two types of connections - audio and midi.

    FL Studio on the PC has this in its Patcher plugin. It's awesome.

    This is pretty much what apematrix does.
    I am talking about parameters —> CCs

  • _ki_ki
    edited November 2018

    Hmm, the idea is nice - directly connecting source of modulation with the knob/slider/button to be modulated... by touch and slide from one source plugin over to the destination element of another plugin.

    Technically this has to be integrated into a host since thats the only app knowing which AUs are loaded and if they are visible and also where their windows are. But there are several technical problems with your idea:

    • There are no AU parameters for the modulation source values since the current modulators like Rozetta XY, Rozeta LFO, SPAs modulation curves etc just output several midi values.
    • There is no knob/UI element to touch for these outputs.

    • The AUs also don’t list what they offer to output - they just send a midi stream but no api readable spec (for the host) of the supplied data.

    • And on the modulation destination side there is no API querry function to map a UI x/y position inside the destination window to an AU parameter behind that UI element (knob, slider, button) - this knowledge is hidden inside the AUs and not available to the host.

    To sum it up, i don’t think this will ever be possible with plugins. I have also not seen this (using mouse) on PCs with arbitrary VST or AU plugins.

  • wimwim

    @Philippe said:
    This is pretty much what apematrix does.

    No, not at all. I just didn't describe it well.

    I am talking about parameters —> CCs

    I was too.

  • _ki_ki
    edited November 2018

    @wim just visually connecting the midi/audio data of the apps is also a nice idea and could be done with the current AU plugin system :)

    .

    As understood the OP and thread title, he wanted to connect mod sources to UI elements without diving into menus as currently needed:

    • In AUM, first connect LFO to Midi Control, then open up other menu of dest plugin, scroll through AU parameter list and connect.
    • In apeMatrix, first connect the midi source to dest, then select dest plugin, open up the control panel, select the parameter and connect.
  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    Maybe if Audulus 3 gets AU hosting we will see what your after.

  • wimwim

    @_ki said:
    @wim just visually connecting the midi/audio data of the apps is also a nice idea and could be done with the current AU plugin system :)

    yeh, I get it, and that's something the example plugin I cited can do. It's just too deep a thing to try to explain. It's also nice that you can cherry pick controls to put on a dashboard. If a developer ever decided to make something like it for iOS, it'd be killer.

    You're right about Audulus. That came to mind as well. Hopefully some day.

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