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Those on free flickr – should you stay or should you go?

Obviously this only applies to:

  • Audiobus forum members, who:
    • Are on flickr:
      • Have a free flickr account:
        • And have more than 1000 photos on there (much more in my case).

Comments

  • I’ve only really used Flickr for storage, I’ve always preferred smugmug for the display options.

  • edited November 2018

    I have a flickr account, made it when i used to be more into photography. However i dont have over 1000 photos over there, just that 200 or 250(i dont remember uploading photos there after the limit was raised or was it taken away completely?), which was maximum with free account back in the day. I wasnt thinking of deleting my account. Whats the deal?

  • I prefer EyeEm to Flickr. Social enough - and potential for sales if you choose. Decent app for uploading as well.

  • It used to be one of my favorite sites, but I nearly gave up after yahoo stalled on it. But last year I was looking into changing my set up, and for a few months while I was experimenting I found some good community support again. I have about 5000 photos there and although $50 a year seems steep just for storage and casual sharing, I'm thinking that I will probably try it at least for a few months after the new pro kicks in and see if the community picks up again or if they add any new features. I'm most interested in sharing tips on technique and gear, geotagging and sharing photos of specific locations, and some options for ordering prints directly from flickr.

  • I have thousands of photos on a free account. The interface is pretty and everything is nicely organized. So do I find a new home that's devoted to photos and start over? I figured the free would probably not last forever. I might just go ahead and cough up the subscription price, a little over $4 a month with the annual plan. It's about half the cost of iCloud storage (1TB), and I do like the Flickr UI.

  • There’s a 30% off for the rest of November for us free account holders who would want to go pro for a year.

    I’m in a quandary about this. I take far less photos than I used to, in fact, I tend to only use it for my lunchtime watercolour paintings (which I shoot on a Sony A5100 with Nikon adaptor and 55mm micro-Nikkor lens). Almost all my actual photography now is done on the phone. On one hand all I really need is to link the shots that are at the same time being backed up on Google Phoots, to twitter etc. On the other hand, there’s no organisation on google and no groups, no social aspect (which is a lot less on flickr than it used to be – a lot!). They’d let their uploader and their apps atrophy a bit (especially on Apple TV). On the third hand, maybe they’re about to pull it together and get up to date with things, making it more relevant in the mobile age.

    I don’t know.

  • I feel like it’s rare for a company to have a great community, lose it, and gain it back again. And maybe just as rare to go from well-funded startup to starved acquisition to albatross, and back to functional. I don’t think Flickr will be the exception, but I’d be happy to be wrong.

  • I wonder @u0421793 , have you considered Instagram? :) A lot of artists use that to show off their works.

    Speaking of which, do you have a link to your gallery of watercolour paintings? I'd like to see.

    Lastly, and I don't mean to go off-topic, but are you more into cold pressed, hot pressed, or rough paper, or is it more dependent on the project? Pans or paint tubes? Windsor & Newton, Grumbacher, or "whatever tints I can get my hands on"? Wet on wet, or wet on dry? I find the watercolour medium relaxing, almost meditative. Downside is that you have less control over the paints than you would with oils and acrylics.

  • I think there are quite a bunch of new features coming to Flickr. Firstly they have been purchased by SmugMug, and it would make sense for SmugMug do not piss off all the Flickr users, who have been treated not-so-good by previous owners, and secondly it would make sense for SmugMug to merge the photo sharing/assets/services they do have, into one product at some point. Hence I would assume they will add features to both services to make them more alike, and then finally merge them.

    For me, being a Pro Flickr members since 2005, I have 40k photos hosted on Flickr. I know that disqualifies me from this thread, but still, to me who already pay for their services and for a couple of years of late have wondered "why should I pay if no one else has to?", the recent changes of again putting a cap/limit on the free accounts make total sense, not because I don't want people to have nice things for free, but that it would make sense for me if my money went into creating a better service for me, as a paying customer. To me it is a good thing if the main storage for my photos also has a sound/valid business plan, as that means I possibly don't have to move all my photos elsewhere.

    Instagram is only a viable option if you buy in to letting Facebook (who owns Instagram) be in control of all your photos. Also, a lot of functionality is missing in Instagram, such as albums, being able to share selectively with specific users/groups etc. Instagram does have the benefit of social sharing to other services though, but that too can be worked around or added to via IFTTT and other services.

    Whilst on the topic of other photo sharing sites I also (apart from Flickr/Instagram) use 500px.com which is good as well. They also have good deals for professional photographers to sell their photos etc. If you allow them to (on a photo-by-photo level), they also will ask permission to license your photos to Getty Images etc, in your name, for you, where you get the money for any licensing. This is obviously a path for them to distinguish themselves from other more hobby-centered photo sharing services, and in general on 500px.com the quality of submitted photos is awesome. The only other service I use that is equally simple is eyeem (mentioned above), though it is more geared towards "regular" photographers than pro's.

  • Bit different for me, I was Pro and now going to free. Not really using it at all these days but might return to pro again one day. Flickr used to be a really great community, but they mucked it up by allowing huge free accounts. Then people just used it for storage and the community filtered out it seems.

  • I used to be a pro a long time ago when BT Internet (my isp) actually gave you a pro status on flickr (but kind of forgot to tell most people about that – not to worry, I told everyone I could). That’s over since a long time ago, but it did leave me with the state of many many albums and tens of thousands of uploaded photos, and yet for free (I honestly couldn’t see the point in paying over the past several years since BTInternet stopped giving me pro).

    I was about to post a link to my account. As a case in point, I can find no way to share that, from within the flickr app on the iPad. That’s how crap it is sometimes. The only way I can think of is to either say search for me “Ian Tindale” or to post a link to a random photo of mine so that you can backtrack to my other stuff somehow.

    I certainly hope it gets better. The interesting thing is that there’s far fewer viable alternatives now than there used to be. I was on zenfolios ages ago and didn’t do much with it, likewise with 500px. I’m now on instagram since the summer (turns out I already had an account somehow) but I have yet to figure out how to use it usefully beyond post an occasional picture and see an occasional picture from the three people on there. I never thought instagram was useful beyond just pointing a phone at something and getting a fancy frame around it.

  • @u0421793 said:
    I used to be a pro a long time ago when BT Internet (my isp) actually gave you a pro status on flickr (but kind of forgot to tell most people about that – not to worry, I told everyone I could). That’s over since a long time ago, but it did leave me with the state of many many albums and tens of thousands of uploaded photos, and yet for free (I honestly couldn’t see the point in paying over the past several years since BTInternet stopped giving me pro).

    I was about to post a link to my account. As a case in point, I can find no way to share that, from within the flickr app on the iPad. That’s how crap it is sometimes. The only way I can think of is to either say search for me “Ian Tindale” or to post a link to a random photo of mine so that you can backtrack to my other stuff somehow.

    I certainly hope it gets better. The interesting thing is that there’s far fewer viable alternatives now than there used to be. I was on zenfolios ages ago and didn’t do much with it, likewise with 500px. I’m now on instagram since the summer (turns out I already had an account somehow) but I have yet to figure out how to use it usefully beyond post an occasional picture and see an occasional picture from the three people on there. I never thought instagram was useful beyond just pointing a phone at something and getting a fancy frame around it.

    Instagram used to be that way 5 years ago, targeted at narcissistic Millenials to post their neverending variety of Valencia-filtered selfies. (And yes, that is a reference to a line in the Chainsmokers' funny "Selfie" track before Chainsmokers became sell outs.) However, the inevitable happened. Artists both traditional and digital as well as REAL photographers like you discovered it. Your incredible pieces of art and photography would fit perfectly on there, and I foresee a following in the thousands.

    Your watercolour art looks great. Very Impressionistic. :) Cheers.

  • edited November 2018

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Your watercolour art looks great. Very Impressionistic. :) Cheers.

    Thanks. They’re mostly only quick 15-minute ones (well, often a triptych – splitting a panorama) done in my lunchtime to practise seeing as I’m looking. I take the view that as I used to be a professional photographer decades ago, if I want an accurate rendition I’d bloody well take a good photo, but with painting I can just give the impression of what it was like (well, I strive to that) and I can do things a camera can’t easily, like miss out a bunch of stuff if I don’t want to paint it, or move things around, or, I’ve recently come out of a phase of ‘magnifying’ sections of the picture.

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Lastly, and I don't mean to go off-topic, but are you more into cold pressed, hot pressed, or rough paper, or is it more dependent on the project? Pans or paint tubes? Windsor & Newton, Grumbacher, or "whatever tints I can get my hands on"? Wet on wet, or wet on dry? I find the watercolour medium relaxing, almost meditative. Downside is that you have less control over the paints than you would with oils and acrylics.

    Actually the paper I’m not fussy about, I’m trying out a lot of different ones all the time, although I tend to favour the smoother ones. The main criteria for me is how much water I can dump on them without it cockling or tearing up. Paints, these days I’m on a W&N pocket plus half-pan set when outside. I had a small Daler Rowney set for outside but although they mix nicely they’re not as good. At home I have a good set of W&N professional tubes, some Cotman tubes, and a big W&N Cotman whole pan studio set. I’ve noticed I like to use the Cotmans more than the professional ones, for some reason! I tend to be wet on wet because I’m in a hurry, although if I have the time at home I’ll let an accurately painted layer dry overnight and then fuck it up the next day.

    Watercolour for me is about transparent layering, and in that it resembles print.

    A good quote I encountered by someone I don’t know about, Stan Miller:
    “…Painting in oil was like training a dog.
    Painting in watercolor is like trying to train your cat”

  • I sat down for a day (a while back) to go through all the alternatives. I settled on Smugmug. Great value, beautiful presentation and very smooth UX wrt managing your collection.

    The only thing I don't like about Smugmug is that they don't do SEO (or perhaps actively block search bots), meaning that people not browsing Smugmug itself will not accidentally find your images.

  • I’ve spent months gradually moving my many albums from Google Photos to Flickr, and now I’m in a quandary. Like many here, my photography has slowed down considerably over the last few years, and now most my shots are taken on my phone, followed by some quick processing in Affinity Photo on my iPad before heading to Facebook, etc.

    For all that the upgraded Flickr is apparently offering, $50 a year seems fair. But all my photos are currently backed up on OneDrive, and it suddenly occurred to me it would be fairly trivial at this point to just create albums there and share the links. I’m guessing that is what I’ll do, as I don’t need much more at this point. Five or six years ago I would have likely stuck with Flickr. (And I find myself increasingly weeding myself of ‘free’ services of late... free is just too expensive these days.)

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