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The Tragedy of Electronic Music

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  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @AudioGus said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @ohwell said:

    @RockySmalls said:
    Xenakis made much the same point about ‘aleatoric music or sound works’
    it’s only unpredictable the first time around... a big side effect of recorded music as opposed to live events.

    Ave Xenakis! Historically, it has to be much more accurate to associate this lesson about unpredictability with music recording technology than with any specific movement as I did above. (TBH my whole point above was driven by the kind of considerations people like Adorno were already raising before the second world war about the transformation of cultural products once reproduction technology and the media industry turns them into mass market goods.) I made the (inaccurate/misleading) leap of pointing to minimalist music specifically because they are an example of a massive source of influence over much of more popular electronic music (to this day) whose influence has nothing to do with their use of electronic vs acoustic instruments.

    indeedy... and then there is the flipside to that from the gertrude stein point of view, that there is no such thing as repetition, every repeat gains different weight and context according to where it is in the sequence, listeners attention etc etc ..
    speculative fiction covered a lot of what we are going through more than half a century ago..
    john sladeks hilarious The Reproductive System.. and my all time fave “hits the nail on the head” short story by Thomas Disch: Now Is Forever. I can’t help feeling that one describes everything we are suffering ( or enjoying ) now and the difference between those that are born into it and those that were born earlier and can’t quite fathom that the old status’s are wiped out when old terms of value are discarded..
    Jaron Lanier paraphrased it nicely “ if culture is removed from capitalism whilst capitalism still exists.. culture will become a slum. “
    he’s about 30 years late with that warning.. and I guess , often , slums are where some of the most interesting things happen..
    so where to now Columbus?

    All I know is I am getting too old to sail. Just this morning, jamming in Beet Raker, I drifted off into a fine Mike Post / Robert Fripp reverie and to quote Michael Stipe "...I feel fine". (PS. I suck at genuine intellectual discourse and 'The Dead Quote Olympics')

    never fear, the quoting is just to check that the memory is still functioning and alzheimers hasn’t set in yet.. there’s still time for Fripp to gig with Mike Post... isn’t there?.? i’m sure Fripp is still alive... what about Post?

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited November 2018

    @RockySmalls said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @ohwell said:

    @RockySmalls said:
    Xenakis made much the same point about ‘aleatoric music or sound works’
    it’s only unpredictable the first time around... a big side effect of recorded music as opposed to live events.

    Ave Xenakis! Historically, it has to be much more accurate to associate this lesson about unpredictability with music recording technology than with any specific movement as I did above. (TBH my whole point above was driven by the kind of considerations people like Adorno were already raising before the second world war about the transformation of cultural products once reproduction technology and the media industry turns them into mass market goods.) I made the (inaccurate/misleading) leap of pointing to minimalist music specifically because they are an example of a massive source of influence over much of more popular electronic music (to this day) whose influence has nothing to do with their use of electronic vs acoustic instruments.

    indeedy... and then there is the flipside to that from the gertrude stein point of view, that there is no such thing as repetition, every repeat gains different weight and context according to where it is in the sequence, listeners attention etc etc ..
    speculative fiction covered a lot of what we are going through more than half a century ago..
    john sladeks hilarious The Reproductive System.. and my all time fave “hits the nail on the head” short story by Thomas Disch: Now Is Forever. I can’t help feeling that one describes everything we are suffering ( or enjoying ) now and the difference between those that are born into it and those that were born earlier and can’t quite fathom that the old status’s are wiped out when old terms of value are discarded..
    Jaron Lanier paraphrased it nicely “ if culture is removed from capitalism whilst capitalism still exists.. culture will become a slum. “
    he’s about 30 years late with that warning.. and I guess , often , slums are where some of the most interesting things happen..
    so where to now Columbus?

    All I know is I am getting too old to sail. Just this morning, jamming in Beet Raker, I drifted off into a fine Mike Post / Robert Fripp reverie and to quote Michael Stipe "...I feel fine". (PS. I suck at genuine intellectual discourse and 'The Dead Quote Olympics')

    never fear, the quoting is just to check that the memory is still functioning and alzheimers hasn’t set in yet.. there’s still time for Fripp to gig with Mike Post... isn’t there?.? i’m sure Fripp is still alive... what about Post?

    Frippost 2020 - Make it happen!

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @AudioGus said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @ohwell said:

    @RockySmalls said:
    Xenakis made much the same point about ‘aleatoric music or sound works’
    it’s only unpredictable the first time around... a big side effect of recorded music as opposed to live events.

    Ave Xenakis! Historically, it has to be much more accurate to associate this lesson about unpredictability with music recording technology than with any specific movement as I did above. (TBH my whole point above was driven by the kind of considerations people like Adorno were already raising before the second world war about the transformation of cultural products once reproduction technology and the media industry turns them into mass market goods.) I made the (inaccurate/misleading) leap of pointing to minimalist music specifically because they are an example of a massive source of influence over much of more popular electronic music (to this day) whose influence has nothing to do with their use of electronic vs acoustic instruments.

    indeedy... and then there is the flipside to that from the gertrude stein point of view, that there is no such thing as repetition, every repeat gains different weight and context according to where it is in the sequence, listeners attention etc etc ..
    speculative fiction covered a lot of what we are going through more than half a century ago..
    john sladeks hilarious The Reproductive System.. and my all time fave “hits the nail on the head” short story by Thomas Disch: Now Is Forever. I can’t help feeling that one describes everything we are suffering ( or enjoying ) now and the difference between those that are born into it and those that were born earlier and can’t quite fathom that the old status’s are wiped out when old terms of value are discarded..
    Jaron Lanier paraphrased it nicely “ if culture is removed from capitalism whilst capitalism still exists.. culture will become a slum. “
    he’s about 30 years late with that warning.. and I guess , often , slums are where some of the most interesting things happen..
    so where to now Columbus?

    All I know is I am getting too old to sail. Just this morning, jamming in Beet Raker, I drifted off into a fine Mike Post / Robert Fripp reverie and to quote Michael Stipe "...I feel fine". (PS. I suck at genuine intellectual discourse and 'The Dead Quote Olympics')

    never fear, the quoting is just to check that the memory is still functioning and alzheimers hasn’t set in yet.. there’s still time for Fripp to gig with Mike Post... isn’t there?.? i’m sure Fripp is still alive... what about Post?

    Frippost 2020 - Make it happen!

    I’m on the blower now!!

  • Blipsford_BaubieBlipsford_Baubie

    You know what I haven't had in a long time? Big League Chew.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    You know what I haven't had in a long time? Big League Chew.

    Mrs. Goodyear has no views on Whither Electronica? BUT she loves Big League Chew. I still love her.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    You know what I haven't had in a long time? Big League Chew.

    I find it insists upon itself.

  • WillWill

    @oat_phipps said:
    Edit: just a worthless cranky early morning rant

    Your post, the book review or the book? :)

  • WillWill

    A trippy question is implied here. Who’s more retrograde: the pure nostalgists, or the kind who pine for the good old days of longing for the future?

    Good question. But the reviewer gets the credit for that, not Stubbs.

    Enjoyed the review but doubt I'd enjoy the book. Sounds very get off my lawn. Last two paragraphs in the review seem to sum up the feeling in my gut while reading the rest of it.

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