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Audio Evolution and Stagelight the Rise of the New DAWs
Last months I was presently surprised by 2 "new" DAWs. Audio Evolution Mobile Studio and Stagelight coming to iOS. Both apps have a much better inuitive workflow than the old established FL Studio, Auria, Cubasis, Gadget, etc. It shows that there is/ was a gap that is finally filled with apps that let you with small IAP have acces to features that we waited for. Besides that the cooI cross OS and platform compatibilty makes this apps this app great value. I hope the stir things up for the bigger brands that seem still to offer cripled app, afraid that it it hurts the sales of their flagship software on Windows and MacOS. Would even think that if the bigger audio brands leave this to the above mentioned apps they finally will loose an enormous group of potential costumers.
Curious about thoughts/ discussion about this.
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Haven’t tried AEM but hear wonderful things about it. Stagelight however is my new fav app of the hour. It isn’t the end all be all, no app or software is, but what it does well coupled with word class customer service, devs, custom MPE, cross platform and transparency has it at the top of my app stack. It’s so good that my main app, BM3 is on the sideline waiting for Open labs to add iaa support so I can host it. In the meantime I just import audio and midi into clip view and get to it.
I didn’t really take to AEMS personally, although the dev seems super keen to keep improving it, so will look in from time to time.
StageLight I love certain features, but again it lacks in certain areas too, so another to keep my eye on.
The current crowd again all lack in certain areas, so my wait for my ideal iOS DAW continues....
I personally am just using minimal iOS at moment.
It is a matter of time for me.
So easy to use Ableton for loops/samples.
I use AUM for incoming audio from hardware and Ableton, but really not more than Blocs Sampletank Samplr Animoog and Reason Compact along with some others here and there.
But the Launchpad is hooked back to the MacBook.
I just found so much time involved setting all the stuff I need lately for hardware and such that iOS is a labor or love but sometimes I am no down for serious relationship.
IF anything, I have seen Auria and all the Fab IAP become the only DAW I use on iOS for what I use it for.
Staglight I use...try on iPhone and have most IAP but not used on iPad really
the other DAW is great but I really not need it at this point
I beta test the Audio DAW and it is amazing though.
I’m similar situation to @RUST( i )K so gone back into Ableton and Garageband/Logic but Stagelight hit a sweet spot with crossplatform, clip launcher into timeline so I need to try it deeply to see if can substitute Ableton for basic duties building instrumentals. Also native MPE mades it better companion for future Seaboard buy I have in mind. Unnespected and great surprise and could make Ableton mostly irrelevant for me (but I need to think which app use for visuals instead of).
About AEM I just make a little research by curiosity and I can say it’s maybe old as Cubase since it comes from AmigaOS! Lovely but too late for me... if Stagelight didn’t covers all my needs I will end probably buying Logic in some moment (now I have it in my wishlist).
I use mostly BlocsWave as sketchbook recording things from my external hardware or very few apps like Neo Soul keys and similar. I have NS1 and LoopyHd in old iPhone 4s which maybe I get glued into a TFP and use them as looping device for my experimental setups.
I also have a launchcontrol basic which I want to transform into footpedal but not a priority ATM so maybe I will end buying any kind of footpedal to use with Mainstage or so. Traktor is out, Ableton is near to... few apps truly working as I need and less experimental and complexity to mess. It’s hard I will made any step back into Apple new arrivals. Probably I will go for another mac before any other iDevice due my monolithic approach... an probably I will end buying an Rc505 instead try to mess with loopyHd on stage. GTL still has some tricks I love but I will end using Ableton/Stagelight if I need these extra mojo in my sets or directly Mainstage and that’s it.
In the studio I can wreck and restart. On the road I need stability and results, I can’t allow stuttering, glitching, popping and so just to switch over apps so I use the less apps I can to avoid switch and the most stable platform I can afford. That’s it.
@Fruitbat1919 @RUST( i )K @TheDubbyLabby Somehow Stagelight reminds me of Ableton if we talk about workflow. The cool thing though is that Stagelight makes you platform independent. Start working on Android, and finish the work on a Macbook. Of course there are platform dependent plugins but if you use the basics you can easliy switch to use those favorite plugins.
Somehow it reminds me how Adobe wants you to use the cloud. Think Stagelight could be a gamechanger.
btw does anyone know how big the userbase of Stagelight is?
Agreed. For me that was one of the main reasons to adopt it.
About community
http://us.openlabs.com/2015/12/29/2015-a-music-making-year-in-review/
I also see another soundonsound article about multitouch DAWs talking about it.
And also I want to remember that open labs are the same people behind those old workstations called Neko...
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/open-labs-open-synth-neko-64
So they stated in some moment in between “they want to be the Garageband for windows” but at this point I can envision even a better Garageband than Apple’s itself until Apple decide to change it.
I know workflow beats features but I would still love to see a feature comparison of iOS DAWs. Maybe I’ll get one started...
Would be nice
btw do you see AUM and ApeMatrix as DAWs?
BM3 pissed users off by being MIA for so long. Same w Modstep although they claim they’ll be back.
Yes, definitely. Maybe hosts is a better word because I’m thinking any app that hosts other instruments.
I admit I’m skeptical. I was familiar with Audio Evolution through Android but Stagelight I have some questions: At 350MB I just haven’t downloaded the app, which is free, but the IAP’s aren’t listed just credits. Is audio recording or any other functionality an IAP or is the store just for loops, sounds, etc.?
I know if I dive into the threads about it I’d find it but I’d appreciate a quick word on those issues, be cool...
There’s only one non-content IAP. That’s for the unlock. Features unlocked are listed here: http://us.openlabs.com/stagelight/tech-specs/
Would love to see an iPad based Neko lol
I do know the drum kits are fun
I don't know about MIDI use because only on iPhone.
Can it do Ableton clip launching?
Until I can load a drum kit of my own samples a couple loops and and instrument with an advanced Fx package midi learned in almost same time as Ableton it is hard to leave the comfort and security at times.
I am actually finding AURIA with all the IAP to be working nicely for my current phase.....LOL
I used to own a Neko XXL. Man that thing was huge. Dope concept but way too expensive
Ye votaries of sofas and beds
Ye sloths who exertion detest,
This maxim I wish to drive into your heads -
A change is as good as a rest.
I’m really digging iMPC Pro2 again when it’s not crashing lol
I think there isn’t all covered (midi still in the works ie) but most of the missing in iOS features are like clip launching.
Here is my own situation.
I started saxophone playing in 1992, and desktop music making in 2000 with Cubase VST, quickly switching to Ableton Live with a laptop. I’m so used to its workflow than I just can’t really finish a complex song without similar session/arrangement modes.
For a few years I’ve quit music. When coming back, it was on iOS and iPhone 7 Plus, so I had a fresh eye on software and hardware stuff. Making music on such portable device was so liberating, I never really felt limited by the device format itself even for doing some « serious » stuff, even if it’s not that popular on this forum. All those new workflows were also so inspiring.
I’ve begined with GarageBand, then Gadget. And then AUM, Audiobus, apeMatrix, Rozeta and all IAA/AU stuff. I tried to go DAWless for a good while, but making songs with multiple audio sax tracks was not possible with only AUM or other hosts like apeMatrix or Blocswave. Gadget was limited in sound quality for my needs. Then GarageBand became stable with AU and and its ability to render them well. So I started to use it a lot and forgot about its limitations. I can almost do anything that I want with this DAW on the iPhone. It has Ableton basic workflow, AU, IAA midi clock, good audio recording management with good audio edition/mangling capabilities too, has some deep features here and there despite some limitations and few bugs. Mostly stable and reliable, it’s a good all in one audio hub for recording all my stuff and make complex songs.
I’ve and still beta test StageLight extensively. It’s powerful, has great features, nice freezing which is very important on iOS where cpu management and code optimization is really inferior to laptop environment. BUT its Ableton like workflow like GB only do the basic, there still miss some important features like audio edition, IAA, midi clock to make it my new all in one. If it will gain that, Link, AU midi, that GarageBand don’t have, then it will do it certainly well for me. All of this is planned. Also at the moment I’m still much faster with GB workflow fast SL, and some buttons are still a bit tiny on iPhone even a Plus. But I definitely keep an eye on it, of course.
During this time, I’ve also switched back to Ableton laptop setup, which has lot and lot of features like time warping, follow actions, mixing/routing similar to AUM, dummy clips, powerful enveloppe automations, extended midi control and much more... and some VST just sounds better than iOS AU: mostly Trillian bass and Polyverse Manipulator pitching effect in my case at this time.
I now work a lot to have a similar live setup on both platforms with AUM/AB/Loopy and Ableton, using BlueBoard pedalboard and Midifire custom script. Works equally well to be honest.
I still prefer iOS touchability, compacity and immediacy, nothing beats it!!! But laptop world gives no restrictions. I now think a lot about merging the two environments with an iConnectivity interface, even if this setup will loose a lot in compacity and convenience considering how I like to make music today. If SL gains Ableton export feature, could be super interesting too.
Haven't tried either of those 2 DAWs yet. And Ableton is ugly a.f. and I can't stand it, nor do I want to go back to using samples (I know I use some ROMplers, I get it). Gadget or AUM+Xequence work great on my phone, though maybe I'll be interested in NS2 by the time it's available next year for iPhones. Waveform+Mixbus32c (mixing duties only as it ain't pretty, either) on the PC.
I’m really digging iOS when Apple isn’t constantly changing protocols, standards and sizes...
So much potential in iPad music production, that’s what keeps me here when I get frustrated
I need to check this AES since I have t yet.
StageLight is nice I have been using it a lot. Just need some sample chopping options and I’m good there I think.
This almost exactly mirrors my own experience! Even the years are almost the same. The only differences would be the software: ie Cakewalk instead of Cubase, or Reaper instead of Abeleton.
My feelings are almost identical too. I've been moving back to my laptop more and more, but still remain hopeful for iOS. By the way, I just picked up Xotopad for Windows. I have a regular laptop, but I'm seriously thinking about getting a 11" 2-in-1 ultrabook to use with Xotopad for my mobile rig. I'll still use my iPhone, of course, but when I have to break out the big guns, I'll still be incredibly mobile! Check out Xotopad! 
Great to read this background stories of how people got into iOS. Thanks @Janosax and @Audiojunkie .
btw Is Xotopad still being developed? On youtube I see movies from 5 years old...
This is exactly that: feeding some hope for a full non restrictive iOS music making experience!! And looking elsewhere waiting for that... I really hope that will come, as I tend to be more efficient with one and only music tool. Merging iOS and laptop is not that easy, I also tend to loose some creativity with too much tools. I will take a look at Xotopad, thanks for that I didn’t knew it. Have you thinked about Surface/Windows tablets? I’ve got a 14 inches Lenovo Thinkpad which is very stable and reliable, but going more mobile and using touchscreen is a possible evolution. Ableton on a tablet seems to sucks, Bitwig I don’t know as I don’t have the click with it, or Stagelight if it become mature with all what I need??!! In case of SL iOS device should be enough, except for some VST missing.
This one is from 2017
Interesting app. There is also Touchable Pro on Windows, but this is only for Ableton, and don’t know if both can be on same machine.