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PolyHarp Looks very interesting, Anyone Using??

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  • Wow this made me remember I have this app haha. Actually have all this Devs apps and they’re all really fun. Droneo and Enumero are awesome.

  • @HotStrange said:
    Wow this made me remember I have this app haha. Actually have all this Devs apps and they’re all really fun. Droneo and Enumero are awesome.

    Love Droneo, have yet to check out the others apart from Polyharp but definitely an interesting, knowledgeable, leftfield and unique dev, with a great sense of humour

  • @HotStrange said:
    Wow this made me remember I have this app haha. Actually have all this Devs apps and they’re all really fun. Droneo and Enumero are awesome.

    What kind of things do you do with Enumero BTW?

  • edited March 2023

    To see lots of autoharping, the previously linked "Stalking the Wild Autoharp" series is really good and clear on technical aspects of how to play and maintain them! My own YT Playlist, featuring Me and others is here:

    And of course this will tell you more about why I wrote this thing: to simulate ideas that are hard to build: https://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/aharpt.html

    and here's a little more about LYR, buried in this nearly 30 year old article: https://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/software.html

  • @jhhl said:
    To see lots of autoharping, the previously linked "Stalking the Wild Autoharp" series is really good and clear on technical aspects of how to play and maintain them! My own YT Playlist, featuring Me and others is here:

    And of course this will tell you more about why I wrote this thing: to simulate ideas that are hard to build: https://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/aharpt.html

    and here's a little more about LYR, buried in this nearly 30 year old article: https://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/software.html

    Henry… for my Sunday play I have purchased all your “Henry Lowngard” music apps since I’m not going out for coffee: with tip that gives me a $7 Budget. And the counting app: Enumero.

  • Henry… for my Sunday play I have purchased all your “Henry Lowngard” music apps since I’m not going out for coffee: with tip that gives me a $7 Budget. And the counting app: Enumero.

    Aw that's nice! I use Enumero a lot - especially the Schwa, which I want to parameterize and open up and make a real live AUv3. It's actually be a kind of cross between the Schwa and the ancient app Sound Bite, generative , roughly machine learned audio output based on processing incoming audio. Because Enumero makes up words and numbers and sound patterns, it goes really well with Igor Vasiliev's Space Fields (that I was a beta tester for). It's also good with vocal transposers that know about formants (Voice Pitcher, Harmony 8...) or spectral transfer stuff like Sparkle.
    You probably want to turn on "background audio," which is set in the Settings app because it's that old and that's how options were encouraged to be handled. Start it before connecting to AUM, and AUM will find and launch it better in the iAA section. Pick your counting style, or make it repeat randomly, and then go back to AUM for Enumerative goodness.

    There are a bunch of Enumero demos and those of other apps in this Soundcloud:

  • McDMcD
    edited March 2023

    @jhhl said:
    Aw that's nice! I use Enumero a lot - especially the Schwa, which I want to parameterize and open up and make a real live AUv3.

    My motivation for buying your older catalog is to encourage you to make new AUv3 tools at these great prices… you PolyHarp
    With Scala tuning details is worth time if you like music that challenges pitch conventions or love music for a culture that can hear subtle scale details.

    Time to find out what a “Schwa” means in the context of Enumero.

    UPDATE: ə (Schwa). This is a diphone synthesis method, still slapping samples next to each other, but the only real vowel in there is 'schwa' (ə), the neutral vowel in English. There are a few hidden diphthongs in there, but mostly, it's earnestly monotonically intoning on C. This sounds a lot smoother than the "phonemes", although it lacks the ability to say a lot of words. These words are generated in a predictable way: there are starting, middle, and ending syllables, which connect on schwa sounds. There are 45 starting, 50 middle, and 40 end syllables. They are incremented in the order "end", "start", "first (rightmost) middle", "second (middler) middle", etc., so it will run though short words first, and then lengthen them. So to generate useful one syllables words, you can run from 41 (bəb) to 1799 (4540 - 1) (žəž). Two syllable words are from 1801 to 89999 (4550*40). If you skip "by" 40, all the words will rhyme.

    I’m loving some of the vocalization options: solfège (do re mi…) and Morse code and Toy Piano… and 16 more options. This is a clever programmer from the early years.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Wow this made me remember I have this app haha. Actually have all this Devs apps and they’re all really fun. Droneo and Enumero are awesome.

    Love Droneo, have yet to check out the others apart from Polyharp but definitely an interesting, knowledgeable, leftfield and unique dev, with a great sense of humour

    Agreed! Can’t recommend Droneo enough. IAA only I believe but I really like it.

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Wow this made me remember I have this app haha. Actually have all this Devs apps and they’re all really fun. Droneo and Enumero are awesome.

    What kind of things do you do with Enumero BTW?

    I use this more for experimental stuff. There’s a couple of sound effects options which is awesome when paired with a lot of effects. The spoken options are cool for that as well. And course sample fodder.

  • If you check out my personal app webpage, https://jhhl.net , you can also look at ones that I took out (or Apple took out) when they started deprecating some of the older sound making APIs.

    Some are real thought experiments, like Minute, which did a kind of granular stretching, but only of the "silent (defined by a level) part of the sound, so if you spoke in a short phrase, it was stretched to a minute, but nothing was sped up or even granularly stretched except the parts you didn't want to hear. Of course, what a "Minute" is defined as was kind of flexible, and what silence is was also flexible. You could flip it so that you only heard the "silent" parts which usually weren't that silent. It was literally based on two John Cage Pieces, Indeterminacy and Essay, of course also influenced by the Language Removal Service. At the time I was in contact with the John Cage Trust and was going to do their 4'33" app, but they ended up having someone else do it. What they came up with was not that far from what I would have done, so I'm glad I didn't have to do that work.

    Other weird thought experiments are Only A, Banshee, Ellipsynth, Tondo, sinthicity itself, Yes Session...

    You people - being here on the Audiobus forum - may not remember a time before Apple musical app connectivity. It can probably be revealed now that Audiobus' Michael Tyson had just released or was just about to release the first Audiobus when a disturbing slide popped up in the "in this release" slideshow at the 2012 WWDC. That slide was way-prematurely announcing what eventually became IAA, which would have been a direct competitor to Audiobus. I just happened to BE at the WWDC and was able to talk directly to the Apple audio guys and reassured Michael in email that it was safe to launch! Apple development is kind of a shifting environment, though.

    That's why lot of these early apps never got to be connected to the Apple Audio Ecosystem. But that's actually not as bad as you'd think, because some apps aren't really for a musically intense or plug-em-all-together audience, they just want to hear something. Srutibox, in the store since 2008, is still there with really minimal updates, like the latest was in 2015. But the audience just wants to hear that drone, and not run it into effects and record it or anything.

    Similarly, AUMI is really for enabling people with very little voluntary movement to participate in improv music groups by using video motion tracking.
    I'm really actively working on it - and making a WebApp version - but it doesn't directly participate in the Audio Ecosystem, although it can send MIDI to synths that do. Check out http://aumiapp.com
    Something a lot like AUMI that I endorse is Musikraken, and it is more for musicians, although you might like some of the crazy samples I have AUMI play.

    Read up on my 2020 Sound Bytes interview for ideas on the updates for Droneo and other apps.
    https://soundbytesmag.net/music-for-tablets-interview-with-henry-lowengard-app-developer/

  • @jhhl said:
    If you check out my personal app webpage, https://jhhl.net , you can also look at ones that I took out (or Apple took out) when they started deprecating some of the older sound making APIs.

    Some are real thought experiments, like Minute, which did a kind of granular stretching, but only of the "silent (defined by a level) part of the sound, so if you spoke in a short phrase, it was stretched to a minute, but nothing was sped up or even granularly stretched except the parts you didn't want to hear. Of course, what a "Minute" is defined as was kind of flexible, and what silence is was also flexible. You could flip it so that you only heard the "silent" parts which usually weren't that silent. It was literally based on two John Cage Pieces, Indeterminacy and Essay, of course also influenced by the Language Removal Service. At the time I was in contact with the John Cage Trust and was going to do their 4'33" app, but they ended up having someone else do it. What they came up with was not that far from what I would have done, so I'm glad I didn't have to do that work.

    Other weird thought experiments are Only A, Banshee, Ellipsynth, Tondo, sinthicity itself, Yes Session...

    You people - being here on the Audiobus forum - may not remember a time before Apple musical app connectivity. It can probably be revealed now that Audiobus' Michael Tyson had just released or was just about to release the first Audiobus when a disturbing slide popped up in the "in this release" slideshow at the 2012 WWDC. That slide was way-prematurely announcing what eventually became IAA, which would have been a direct competitor to Audiobus. I just happened to BE at the WWDC and was able to talk directly to the Apple audio guys and reassured Michael in email that it was safe to launch! Apple development is kind of a shifting environment, though.

    That's why lot of these early apps never got to be connected to the Apple Audio Ecosystem. But that's actually not as bad as you'd think, because some apps aren't really for a musically intense or plug-em-all-together audience, they just want to hear something. Srutibox, in the store since 2008, is still there with really minimal updates, like the latest was in 2015. But the audience just wants to hear that drone, and not run it into effects and record it or anything.

    Similarly, AUMI is really for enabling people with very little voluntary movement to participate in improv music groups by using video motion tracking.
    I'm really actively working on it - and making a WebApp version - but it doesn't directly participate in the Audio Ecosystem, although it can send MIDI to synths that do. Check out http://aumiapp.com
    Something a lot like AUMI that I endorse is Musikraken, and it is more for musicians, although you might like some of the crazy samples I have AUMI play.

    Read up on my 2020 Sound Bytes interview for ideas on the updates for Droneo and other apps.
    https://soundbytesmag.net/music-for-tablets-interview-with-henry-lowengard-app-developer/

    And I see Sruti Box was endorsed by no less a luminary than Pauline Oliveros!

  • And I see Sruti Box was endorsed by no less a luminary than Pauline Oliveros!

    I was good friends with Pauline Oliveros and developed AUMI for iOS for her. She used to live nearby and I am pretty tight with the Deep Listening people. Pauline used SrutiBox and Droneo and other more usual instruments for her piece DroniPhonia in 2009. Her 90th birthday was last year, but the celebrations continue. There were some events in Carneigie Hall in January, for example (including using AUMI).

    Kingston NY ,where I live, is a center of art and music. I also used to live near the late Maryanne Amacher and was one of her pallbearers.

    I'm also in a Gamelan that is a constant learning experience.I also preside over a not for profit that is about the history of Rosendale Natural Cement, but kind of supports itself with events in our acoustically amazing former cement mine, the Widow Jane Mine. https://centuryhouse.org

    I'm also friends with other electronic and computer music pioneers but I won't name drop here.

  • @jhhl said:

    And I see Sruti Box was endorsed by no less a luminary than Pauline Oliveros!

    I was good friends with Pauline Oliveros and developed AUMI for iOS for her. She used to live nearby and I am pretty tight with the Deep Listening people. Pauline used SrutiBox and Droneo and other more usual instruments for her piece DroniPhonia in 2009. Her 90th birthday was last year, but the celebrations continue. There were some events in Carneigie Hall in January, for example (including using AUMI).

    Kingston NY ,where I live, is a center of art and music. I also used to live near the late Maryanne Amacher and was one of her pallbearers.

    I'm also in a Gamelan that is a constant learning experience.I also preside over a not for profit that is about the history of Rosendale Natural Cement, but kind of supports itself with events in our acoustically amazing former cement mine, the Widow Jane Mine. https://centuryhouse.org

    I'm also friends with other electronic and computer music pioneers but I won't name drop here.

    I had a feeling you would know lots of the people in this scene Henry, must be very interesting. I'd actually really like to do one of those deep listening teaching courses but the queues are long and I've no idea what I'll e doing and where I'll be living a few years from now.

  • Hi Folks! The world's ugliest app , Polyharp, has been worked on sporadically for quite some time, and there should be a new on to check out soon!

    One of the things I've added was a variation on my multiple-strings-per-course feature. That's a way to make it so tht instead of just creating one string with one pitch , you can make up to 7 strings with closely or not so closely related pitches. I've enhanced this feature so you can offset the pitches by a fixed Hertz value (as well as fixed cents and random within a range). That means you can get a feature like Balinese gamelan "ombok" where every note has a natural shimmer to it which beats regularly!
    The MPE support is kind of there, so many synths do not listen to the "range of pitch bend" parameter that I send, Grrr.

    I'm getting a weird message about some kind of incompatibility with Audiobus when I run it in there (which I do rarely, sorry) , so I bet I have to get some new keys or something.

  • edited December 2024

    @jhhl

    Cool! Thanks!! 😎👍🏼

  • edited December 2024

    @jhhl said:
    Hi Folks! The world's ugliest app , Polyharp, has been worked on sporadically for quite some time, and there should be a new on to check out soon!

    One of the things I've added was a variation on my multiple-strings-per-course feature. That's a way to make it so tht instead of just creating one string with one pitch , you can make up to 7 strings with closely or not so closely related pitches. I've enhanced this feature so you can offset the pitches by a fixed Hertz value (as well as fixed cents and random within a range). That means you can get a feature like Balinese gamelan "ombok" where every note has a natural shimmer to it which beats regularly!
    The MPE support is kind of there, so many synths do not listen to the "range of pitch bend" parameter that I send, Grrr.

    I'm getting a weird message about some kind of incompatibility with Audiobus when I run it in there (which I do rarely, sorry) , so I bet I have to get some new keys or something.

    i always liked the sound produced from this app!!!, looking forward to the evolution.

    I love how you implemented panning into the playing interface.

    pressing 'V' always gets me to the apple keyboard GUI which i then can't remove, need to restart the app.

    if you ever want some beta testing help, DM me.

  • edited December 2024

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  • edited December 2024

    Hey! It turns out that annoying zipper noise when reassigning oscillators when there aren't enough was just a typo! so in build 6675, now submitted, that's gone. Apples review staff are in vacation mode so it may take a while...

    @Danny_Mammy , that "V" is to set the interval of "capoing", (V is a major fifth, 100 would be 100 cents, etc. ), but I see a big "DONE" button for the keyboard there, so ..? See: the "Capo" part of the instructions.

  • It actually looks pretty lovely to my eyes, some of the colour schemes shine pure happy at you 🙌

  • This app is a ton of fun! I’ve never really experimented with microtonality, but this is quite satisfying.

    I’m having a little difficulty getting MIDI out to work in Loopy Pro, but so far even just passing the sound through some effects is still providing a lot of fun.

  • I absolutely love this app,...but I never had any joy sending midi to other instruments. If the (in)stability was fixed, I would use this all the time.
    @jhhl

  • edited December 2024

    be great to have it MPE so i could use it with my MPE enabled Ableton synths

  • @jhhl said:
    Hey! It turns out that annoying zipper noise when reassigning oscillators when there aren't enough was just a typo! so in build 6675, now submitted, that's gone. Apples review staff are in vacation mode so it may take a while...

    @Danny_Mammy , that "V" is to set the interval of "capoing", (V is a major fifth, 100 would be 100 cents, etc. ), but I see a big "DONE" button for the keyboard there, so ..? See: the "Capo" part of the instructions.

    yep my bad, i just needed to press the keyboard icon for it to disappear.

  • Just sayin', the new version went live this morning! I'm sure you all updated!

  • cool! it does crash a fair bit when changing the tunings. once in every 10 times.

    also noticed on some instruments the audio pops, i tried to adjust the attack but it doesn't help. most of the instruments are fine though.

    I'll try it as a MPE controller on Ableton tomorrow.

  • @Danny_Mammy said:
    cool! it does crash a fair bit when changing the tunings. once in every 10 times.

    also noticed on some instruments the audio pops, i tried to adjust the attack but it doesn't help. most of the instruments are fine though.

    I'll try it as a MPE controller on Ableton tomorrow.

    OK , thanks for the report.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "changing the tunings", though. If you mean patches, that's something hard to pin down!

    PolyHarp's synthesizers that are basically sine waves are a lot more noticeably "poppy". "Synths" with noisier attacks mask that pretty well.
    Attack is not really an attack, but it's sort of like an attack. There aren't envelopes in PolyHarp, but energy flows in and out of the oscillators in a somewhat less predictable way.

  • @jhhl said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    cool! it does crash a fair bit when changing the tunings. once in every 10 times.

    also noticed on some instruments the audio pops, i tried to adjust the attack but it doesn't help. most of the instruments are fine though.

    I'll try it as a MPE controller on Ableton tomorrow.

    OK , thanks for the report.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "changing the tunings", though. If you mean patches, that's something hard to pin down!

    PolyHarp's synthesizers that are basically sine waves are a lot more noticeably "poppy". "Synths" with noisier attacks mask that pretty well.
    Attack is not really an attack, but it's sort of like an attack. There aren't envelopes in PolyHarp, but energy flows in and out of the oscillators in a somewhat less predictable way.

    i can send you a crash report if you like, i know how to do that and beats my vague explanations.

    yep, i meant changing presets and it crashes consistently on iPad.

  • as far as i can tell MPE is working on Ableton MPE synths!! will keep messing with it.

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