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Modstep IMPC Pro 2 Miroslav 2 Dilemma
I’m having a bit of a dilemma - as you may have guessed from the title - with whether to go for any of these currently on sale.
I have never been into the ableton clips modern daw approach but I want to have a go with it to experiment, and for flexibility. I have Stagelight but read that’s self contained (?). I also have groove rider, beathawk, beatmaker 3 bjt have only really used beathawk for its samples so not sure if any of these have a clip loops type view.
I read that modstep is a kind of ableton for iOS and you can use auv3 instruments. Does anyone know if it’s worth it, if there are better apps for that sort of thing I might prefer, if there are bugs problems with it as I’d seen some, or if it’s iaa - just any helpful advice or suggestions would be much appreciated as this isn’t my area
The appoholism has me wondering about iMPC pro 2mtoo. Should I be interested in this? Is it any good or just redundant given the apps I already own. As background, I absolutely hate all EDM and any related music, urban dubstep whatever. Essentially, if it gets played in clubs I don’t like it (you know what I mean). I won’t ever buy iaps in most of these apps as they seem always to be this kind of thing. Just to describe my personal preferences. I have nothing against some apps that cater to this as they can be used for my purposes and are great - grrooverider, bestmaker... its just when I opened poison for example I almost immediately deleted and had a cold shower on hearing the presets. Saying all that, I hear it has a scratching mode, and that can be fun and is something I’d like to have a go at.
And finally - miroslav 2. Anyone have any thoughts? I hated miroslav one and don’t know if this is better, or worthwhile, and if it compares with iSymphonic. The first one sounds very cheap and thin/metallic to me.
Thank you! Hope you’re getting all your Christmas stuff done
*i love kraftwerk, interesting electronic textures etc and all the synths
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Can't hope to answer all your questions, but I'll offer a few thoughts.
I beta tested Stagelight and I don't think it is self-contained. I was using au3s in it. Double check is all I'm saying. Reason I am not using Stagelight is because it doesn't have tempo changes. I don't do dance music, much more like electronic rock, and there are lots of subtle tempo changes.
Bringing me to Modstep. It is very much loop/pattern/scene based like Ableton. It it largely at this point a midi studio though they may be adding audio. I use lots of AU3s with it, the one caution I have is that it doesn't have a CPU meter and it will crash sometimes if you overload the iPad as a whole, so, kinda know how much brains your plugins take. I had assorted problems with it and IAAs, though I found more success with Audiobus, but then have gone mostly to just using Au3s and it has been solid.
Don't know iMPC or Miroslav well sorry.
Modstep has similar loop launcher that ableton has, but thats just one part of ableton. Modstep is not much more than a midi sequencer, ableton is a full fledged daw. Bm3 is the closest thing to ableton on ios, and its not very far from it.
Im not a fan of the mpc apps, bm3 is better in every way, as far as i can tell. I do have mpc live and like mpcs in general, but the mpc apps just doesent do it. Not to mention that the devs of it tend to abandon them and seem to spend all their money on marketing rather than developing..
Stagelight can host AU plugins. It can output midi to other apps. At this time it can’t receive midi from other apps because it doesn’t have background audio or the ability to be loaded into other hosts. Since you already have Stagelight, it might be worth checking out its loop mode. It’s similar enough to Modstep to give you the idea anyway.
You didn’t mention GarageBand. That has an excellent clip launcher, is free, and can’t be said to lean toward any particular type of music. If all you want to do is explore a looping style workflow, I can’t think of a better place to start.
You mentioned the kind of music you hate, but not really what you like. That also might help people to make better recommendations.
I'm of 2 minds about Miroslav:
1) It covers the orchestra completely.
2) It's past it's freshness date. many samples are too small to sound great and taken in a rush like he was being billed for the orchestra's time so he took some suspect recordings and kept moving. Thin, sometimes pitchy and with poor tone. But all the instruments... remember that point. It fills gaps.
So, what's better to get the whole orchestra. Maybe the SF2 out there loaded into BS-16i or Auria pro.
Now iSymphonic has excellent samples. Good sounds and a lot of coverage but be advised. They create packages and charge a stiff price for each and it adds up to Desktop pricing... well over $200 to get everything you might want for a complete orchestra.
I wanted a solo string and found a violin in one pack for $16 and no solo cello at all. Weird. They consume a huge amount of your storage as you chase everything you'll need. So... Miroslav for coverage is a good fall back.
Remember the worst sampled instrument can be disguised with clever application of FX. Phasers smooth out excess highs and rough tone for example. Play with it and treat it like a synth preset sound design. Filters, EQ, reverbs, delay, Modulations (chorus, phase, flange) can cover a sample you find substandard but recognizeable at it's core sound.
Hope this on the wall review helps you decide. Do you need a contra-bassoon? Castanettes?
Hopefully AudioLayer adds SF2 or SFZ import soon. Then we can grab more free samples and add improving FX right in the app and run it as a lightweight AUv3 instance.
Miroslav2?👎👎👎👎. I got a refund. Scott Van Zandt uses Squidfont. He praises it,
Thanks everyone, really helpful, didn’t realise some things about Stagelight and modstep. I’m an idiot savant at treating orchestral samples, I just wondered re miroslav 2. Audiolayer seems to get really bad reviews
@wingwizard
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/3043/soundfonts
and more info
It doesn't ship with enough sounds to be impressive. Adding SF2 and SFZ capability and shipping with some "open source" soundkits should change the perception of its usefulness.
With a Mac you can suck an SF2 into ESX and export and ESX instrument and import that into AudioLayer. People have used that path and imported Salamander Pianos and a lot of orchestral samples. Once in AudioLayer you gain access to the @Virsyn FX strip they also sell as AudioEffx and the ability to edit the filtering, envelope and add layers to any sound. It's a great app for building a personal sound library... like a custom made ROM-pler.
The next update should change the story on AudioLayer.
I have Stagelight also and wasn’t aware that it can’t do tempo changers.. hmmm.. That said, as active as the developers are on here, it’s hard to imagine that not happening sometime soon. @MatthewAtStagelight
It can't do it today, but it is most definitely planned!
Thanks for this and the thread link! Sorry to bump thread I wasn’t sure what was more impolite, not saying thanks or bumping