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ns2 keyboard
I hope that an update to ns2 will let you access the keyboard when you're in other screens besides the screen with the synth controls...
For example, the effects page...i have to keep skipping back and forth to adjust the effects of an au effect applied to a synth tohear how it will sound before I record anything..
And from the mixer screen too...
That's one thing that brings me back to Aum and modstep, is just having everything accessible from almost anywhere
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i found many things in ns2 that after about a week using it brought me Right back to Cubasis to the point that ns2 has been deleted until its gets some much needed updating. dont get me wrong it is a very strong app but its lacking so many basic features that makes it annoying to use.
That sounds harsh......you might explain that further....what basic features are missing?
I agree on the need for this. Not much point posting only here though. If you make the feature request on the NS2 forum, I know it’ll get attention. I’ll +1 it for sure.
Good call, I haven't really spent much time on that forum yet, but I am liking ns2 more and more so maybe I should, the problem is the more I start to enjoy ns2 the more I realize how it is missing things I'm used to with ab , Aum, modstep, and I end up going back to them... Mainly Aum with modstep
I have not deleted it, nor plan to but there are deff some things that need to change with it if it's going to spend much time in the spot light in my process, it's kind of like a garage band upgrade in many ways but there are things missing that just make it really difficult to do things I'm used to doing quite easily such as my original post concludes
just wondering how different are people's needs :-) never ever had single need to access keyboard in any other place than inside synth :-) definitely not in insert fx screen ..
i'm glad that i'm not music app developer, it looks like mission impossible to make all people satisfied, specially if that app is daw
it must be really frustrating to spend significant part of life by hard working on some app and adding tons of features, and then some user's reply is simply "deleted app because of lacking some basic features", eventually combined with two stars review (not saying it's your case ! Just general example)
looks like music app dev is very ungateful job
Agree that using the FX is poor for us onscreen keyboard users in NS2. Onscreen keyboard use is poor in most iOS DAWs to be honest. Each one has some things that work well and some that work poorly if at all.
Onscreen note inputas a whole seems to be a little lacking in thought or similar in many ways to PC / Mac where they tend to presume you have midi note input devices connected.
iOS Hosts should put this onscreen element further up the agenda imo - many people use iPads without any external devices at times. The touchscreen advantage has been put on the back burner from the earlier days, when more apps seemed to promote it more.
Anyway as @wim said is good idea to add request thread on NS forums (or add +1 to existing one if it is already there)
It‘s indeed possible to trigger midi from a virtual keyboard (per mouse or touch-screen) or the computer keyboard f.e. no matter where you are in your DAW.
So yes, i also find it useful to always can live trigger some chords f.e. while tweaking synths, FX, midi FX etc.
Would be indeed great if iOS DAWs could offer an option for an always there keyboard on any screen/menu.
Lol, but even more i often wish that more apps let me hide the keyboard complete like Sunrizer f.e.
Now what about these awesome splitscreen view Apple market to us. I don‘t see many apps supporting it really nor people mention it here much.
F.e. a wonderful virtual keyboard like ThumbJam always at hand would be great. I mean at least on 12.9“ iPads it makes sense. These are things i thought iPads should make multi-touch scream and beat all the desktop workflow. Sadly a lot things i want to do „multi-touch“ are still better to handle on my notebook. That can‘t be right?!?
For me the feeling about Nanostudio 2 it’s the opposite...
I always get excited when an app (whatever category) miss some features, but, in the same time this app can do it with some kind of overseen workarounds...
In Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer there’s a lot features missing also, but, what a joy it is to be able to do that kind of things with smart workarounds!
Never ever miss Photoshop or Illustrator, although they are two of the most incredible software done to modern computers...
Regarding Nanostudio 2, the missing audiofiles direct on timeline is a drawback, but, this can easily be done & made with both Slate and Obsidian...
And we have not any limit when it comes to samples to import (two hour long samples must be enough)...
Nanostudio 2 has made me more happy then all other apps released to iPads since spring 2010...
Can’t put my finger on it, but, perhaps the stability in NS2 is the key to success?
Will help in some instances, when developers finally realise they need to hook up the app midi to the record functions, so that apps with onscreen note input functionality can be recorded as well as the host keyboard.
Indeed. These are things even not easy in DAWs like Logic (since there is no midi out for AUs but VST can do this).
But since we have midi FX apps in iOS as well i wonder if there are similar workarounds possible on iOS which i use f.e. in Logic.
If i want the midi notes which an arpeggiator plays to be recorded (or a chords midi FX or whatever) and not only the midi note i trigger can f.e. send the midi output from the arp into another MIDI FX which will record it and then i can drag it into the timeline/sequencer. Or i can route the midi from the track/sequencer with the midi FX to another track which send record the output of the midi FX (chords, arp notes etc.).
There are maybe also a few other ways. Maybe not perfect but the result is the same at the end.
Hard to explain in my bad english so what i mean is this here. I think some iOS DAWs could handle similar routings even if they don´t support direct recording of the midi output (like Logic in this case).
So i don´t know if iOS allows these things. I would like to know (not an expert here anymore).
Some simple examples (there might be more advanced midi tools which also record all the midi cc and whatever messages you would need).
Cubasis allows recording from the AU app - this is what makes Cubasis shine with apps like GeoShred and iFretless Bass so good.
Cubasis however won’t let you have the keyboard on show with the fx apps or an AU midi keyboard like KB-1 onscreen with another AU midi app like SPA Unit.
For myself, the DAWs / Hosts are playing catch up to AU
They need to look at what is being used together and make sure there are onscreen options or at least workarounds:
Yeah, maybe indeed a lot developers still thinking people should use an extern midi device/keyboard. But it´s not needed always and of course especially not inside iOS. But it will come.....one day
They will need to - the touchscreen note input devices are one of iOS music makings greatest IP’s
Surprised you never had the need. Adjusting insert effects or send levels while playing a sound is really something that I do all the time...? I personally solved that with floating effects windows (inserts), and the "adjust sends" thing I'll probably solve by having floating channel strips (todo)...
Same, here, it's quite annoying in Cubasis too where the keyboard is only visible when an actual 'instrument' is shown. So no on-screen keyboard when tweaking an arpeggiator plug-in as an example. ARGHHH!
AUM and ApeMatrix solve this nicely with multiple windows
My workflow is: create basic patch in synth - record melody .. with melody recorded, i loop section in sequencer then i swith to track inserts and add/tweak effects if need.. It works better for me to play with insert fxs during instrument is playing it’t real melody in context of track than just random played notes realtime.. i don’t want to be distracted by keboard (or any other mental connection to arrangement) when i’m tweaking insert effects - so basically i’m concentrated on mixing - actually i was wondering why keyboard is visible in BM3 in effects view, i thought it is bug or some forgotten copy/paste of code from instruments view
I personaly really hate floating windows for plugins on iPad (and n iphone it’s for me real nightmare), i deeply hope Matt will never go this way in NS2
Yes, of course that's a valid workaround
I often want to design the sound first though, because it then gives me inspiration for the melody 
but I see how floating windows are essentially useless on a phone, and I guess that's why NS2 doesn't use them and completely sticks to a fixed tiled UI.
yes, i actually used same workflow for years on desktop.. but then i realised two issues:
So i changed my workflow like i described above and it resulted to lot more and lot faster finished tracks
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Of course i understand everyone have different workflows.. that’s why i think mentioned this one(somehow will be able on demand get to track keyboard even from fx screen) would be good to mention in NS forums..
Thankfully opinions are like well...
AUM and ApeMatrix are two totally wonderfully awesome tools for messing around with sounds and effects
For me NS2 is slow and awkward to work with especially when it comes to sampling both internal AUv3's and external sound-sources. The 'mandatory' saving before being able to proceed to sample the next sound is meh....
(Not to forget that NS2 'forgets' the bit-depth and 'destination' when saving samples so every time need to select either 16 or 24 and between Library or Project).
I have already mentioned this on the NS2 forums when it first started
It may be worth mentioning again to highlight it
Makes sense too of course but you know....of course to have both options would be the dogs bollocks.
I f.e. like to play my single tracks or groups live into a sequencer and the synth intern FX as well as the extern (i prefer using inserts mainly since i use mainly no global FX via sends so FX per voice sometimes even) FX are part of the performance. Since i mostly never know how a track ends (and even starts) i start around with playing melodies, harmonies and so on and i try if the FX works well no matter what velocities, aftertouch things, or how high or low i play it.
I´m a lazy man and almost never do much mixing/mastering. You can say i do it per track and maybe just add a bit of tiny master after i recorded track after track or sometimes i just play a whole song with one performance patch and with improved playing and here it´s even more important that i always have access to a midi input while tweaking complex patches. I just hate much change after performance since it almost always end for me in changing the tone and character too much that i delete the whole shit.
At the end i think there is no right or wrong as long as the results are good. I f.e. really hate the as loud as possible super compressed stuff (beside for some specific things) but the crowd seems to love it in all the EDM. The dynamics seems to go from super loud to ouch instead from the edge of silence to the top which is still nice to hear at half volume on my headphones without i get ear damage.
Yeah of course, i just replied to @SevenSystems question about my workflow
O.k.....also i know Matt is one man!
After I land on a sound in my synth I always want to add eq to fix any strange frequencies, but I need to be able to jam a bit on the synth while making adjustments, I'm not good at just opening an eq, knowing exactly how to adjust it by numbers, I've got to hear it while adjusting, this is probably a big reason why Aum and ab are so quick to get things going with...
I feel like it should be common practice for all apps to allow you to adjust effects while you play on the synth, it's not an outrageous concept, when I purchased ns2 I just assumed it would be Possible, as it is a very basic part of creating a sound..
Saying that being an app developer is unrewarding due to people's needs and feedback is a bit passive, but I do see what you mean as there are a lot of complaints and negative comments about many iOS daws around here, but I'm very thankful for ns2 and what it can do, I just want it to be the final solution and finally get on with just making music, and I feel like ns2 has the full potential to be that daw, ... Between ns2, modstep and stagelight, I prefer ns2 gui and workflow, but having keyboard access at all times is pretty crucial to sound design for me, which is why I always find my self back on modstep / Aum, I can create parts, change sounds and effects from pretty much anywhere in the environment
As a workaround you can use the slide-over multitasking view:
Hubba hubba. I need me a newer iPad stat.