EG WaveShaper Envelope Odd Behavior?

[Deleted User]

Am I misunderstanding?
The main output envelope seems to act like a mono synth when playin single notes. Press and release the first note, then the next note does not restart from the attack stage but where the last note left off.
However if you press a note and hold it, when you press a second note this envelope does restart, therfore acting like a polysynth. I understand what a paraphonic synth is, but that doesnt seem to fit here either.
To hear what im saying really shows when playing a pad (long attack and long release)
Just trying to understand for playing purposes.
Any help?

ElliottGarage

Hi @breilly I don't know if I correctly undertood what you mean.
The current behaviour is that the envelope restart after no note is playing.
So if you play a note, and play another one before releasing the first one the envelope will not restart; on the contrary if you press a note after the first one has been released the envelope will restart.
This is intended to behave in polyphinic mode.

However I'm adding the option to use the synth in monophonic (for better lead and bass), so that each time a note will be played the previous one will be released and the envelope will start; in this way user can choose to play a preset in monophonic or polyphonic mode.

Let me know if this explain what you're experiencing

[Deleted User]

@ElliottGarage said:
Hi @breilly I don't know if I correctly undertood what you mean.
The current behaviour is that the envelope restart after no note is playing.
So if you play a note, and play another one before releasing the first one the envelope will not restart; on the contrary if you press a note after the first one has been released the envelope will restart.
This is intended to behave in polyphinic mode.

However I'm adding the option to use the synth in monophonic (for better lead and bass), so that each time a note will be played the previous one will be released and the envelope will start; in this way user can choose to play a preset in monophonic or polyphonic mode.

Let me know if this explain what you're experiencing

Hey thx for replying! Yes a bit confusing on paper but we try.......
Ok so if intended to be polyphonic (awesome choice), each note should have its own seperate envelope, regardless if another note is held down or not. On a polyphonic synth every note pressed will pass through the amp ADSR.

[Deleted User]

The way waveshaper restarts its envelopes is not polyphonic behavior;
It seems mixed with monophonic.

ElliottGarage

@breilly what I mean for polyphonic is that the envelopes are applied to a group of notes, while in monophonic each envelopes is related to the single note playing (and it's only one note at time)

[Deleted User]

Ok but does not every note on a poloyphonic synth go through the amp envelope regardless of when or how its played?

@ElliottGarage said:
@breilly what I mean for polyphonic is that the envelopes are applied to a group of notes, while in monophonic each envelopes is related to the single note playing (and it's only one note at time)

ElliottGarage

@breilly the LFO and ENV are not intended to be used as ADSR, but to control the synth parameters like osc octaves, detune, or synth effects and those are applied to the main signal...to control each note with an indipendent route and separate LFO and ENV is interesting but a total different story from how the synth is conceived

So when you play a chord (by polyphonic I mean that you can play different voices at the same time) and you have an LFO that controls a filter, that is applied to the whole chord and not to each notes of the chord individually

[Deleted User]

@ElliottGarage said:
@breilly the LFO and ENV are not intended to be used as ADSR, but to control the synth parameters like osc octaves, detune, or synth effects and those are applied to the main signal...to control each note with an indipendent route and separate LFO and ENV is interesting but a total different story from how the synth is conceived

So when you play a chord (by polyphonic I mean that you can play different voices at the same time) and you have an LFO that controls a filter, that is applied to the whole chord and not to each notes of the chord individually

Ok i’ll read this 3 more times ha.. Im sorry if I come off too critical, i’m def on your side. This app really appeals to me, love the wave shaping sound👍🏼.
In my short time with synths ive noticed variations with envelope behavior pending its creators.
You did great with me here, I wont bother you with the filter questions today.
Thanks again!

ElliottGarage

Ahah no problem and thanks for your words. I suppose we're going more in design choices, so each developer can adopt different routes