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Amp sims lacking gain
So I have shelled out a lot of cash buying bias and AmpliTube along with all the iap's so I have spend around $100 like for instance I got the mesa package for AmpliTube but I just can't get a good quality high distortion, they all seem to be lacking all high gain....now playing a squire strat with a h-s-s p/u configuration plugged into a Steinberg ur22II audio interface along with cck......please help me reach high gain territory, anything in settings that I. Could tweak to improve my sound
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See my comments in the last thread you started. Until you post the sort of things that I mentioned, it will be hard to give you helpful feedback.
are you providing sufficient input levels?
Yes I have tried messing wi h the levels on my audio device on my audio interface as well as in the nputand output in the app itself, please don't make me feel like a dumb ass, yea I know it my seem like I make multiple posts, I was hit by a car when I was 3 and suffer d brain damage so I'm forgetful so sometimes I just forget, I just thought that. Would mention it because I sometimes get a hard time from others about this but it's not intentionally, I'm just doing the best I can..... I just want to jam out.....now I do have a line6 pod 2.0 ......if I get this working correctly will it sound better vs the pod? I'm looking forward the best high gain distortion so I can lay down some tracks
With Amplitube, I find that putting a compressor before the amp can make a big difference. Also, as @espiegel123 said, be sure your input levels are up where they should be.
I’m not sure how much you know about getting tones, so I don’t know what other kind of advice to offer. I know I’ve spent a lot of time trying to find tone using the wrong tools. I spent a huge amount of time trying to find tone using distortion, that really needed a phaser, or short stereo delay, etc.
I’ve never used ToneBridge, but it’s free, and allows you to pick a song with the tone you like, then get a preset for it. That might reveal some FX chain setups that you may not have thought of.
I’m not truly a gain head, so can’t advise well. I have found that aside from a few presets in other apps, the only app that gives me distortion I don’t hate is ToneStack.
I'm a metal guy, heavy distortion like carcass,crowbar, I would even say old Sokol Metallica but heavier......testament is another. Band I love, typo negative......stuff like that
It’s tricky to get good tone—whatever good tone is for you—from software only. It took a LOT of experimentation with different apps, different levels of input vs output, different stages of gain, fuzz, overdrive, distortion to finally get some tones I personally like out of software (for rock and funk, mostly, but some metal also), but I did finally get there. Just don’t give up. I currently use a stack of AU effects that includes a compression unit, fuzz, overdrive, saturation and reverb. If you can find a preset in an app like Bias that is close to what you want, dig into the stages and tweek it the rest of the way. Or maybe try mixing and matching AUv3s which is a much smaller load on my iPad than Bias or Amplitube or ToneStack. The folks at Positive Grid have a tone series of youtube videos for Bias, Bias FX, etc. Have you looked at those already?
This looks like a job for @bedheadproducer. His guitar tone might work for you. It’s also his guitar and technique but at least it would show you it’s possible on IOS.
His soundcloud handle is MarcPattenson as I recall. PM him directly here. For his advice. He lives power metal too.
I can recommend the Fender Blender FX pedal in Amplitube. I’ve gotten some outrageously thick metal tones out of that quite by accident.
Try running some of these amp sims through different cabinet IRs. Altispace can load them and run in audiobus as an effect after bias. The catharsis cabs are free and pretty popular. However I haven’t had great results getting track worthy metal tones with anything on ios and the effects cause latency, but just a suggestion. I use thermionik and recabinet with ownhammer IRs on desktop and its miles beyond anything I can achieve on ios, for now anyway.
True... and the best tones are still obtained with hardware amplifiers (in my experience anyway). It’s a trade-off of tone vs latency vs workflow convenience... or some such.
Not that I've studied the gear they use, but if I were to get gain in that territory, I'd do a distortion pedal into a breaking up amp.
So try some of the pedals in Amplitube before the amps. But yes your gain needs to be decent. I don't know the iOS version of Amplitube, but the desktop one has a good indicator and even a slider for input gain, assuming of course your audio interface and guitar are giving it enough. Make sure your interface is in hiZ aka instrument mode for the guitar too. I know Amplitube can get plenty high gain on the desktop. In fact, I usually have to lower the input volume because I favor Reverends that have kinda high pickup output.
Close brother , it’s PATTISON not pattenson
To the OP:
So I scammed through quickly and not only does biased have plenty of gain, but you can overdrive the crap out of if by adding a virtual overdrive or distortion stomp box In the chain. The input gain is important but if you are hitting just below the red ( clipping ) on the input gain then you should not have a less than desirable gain structure . Have you tried going online to bias rig exhange ? There are a bunch of famous heavy guitarists that have made free presets , everything from thrash to Deathmetal .
I think you should make a video demonstrating you problem and a mix down of a portion of a guitar track . I don’t think anyone is assuming you are stupid , but what is happening to you is not supposed to happen . I’ve made videos and the tone was very distorted . So you have something not right in your signal chain. Are you using active pickups with a low battery ? Bad or cheap cables ? Either way I hope get it figured out . I would start by gettin a friend with a similar setup to try it with his gear if you can and compare the difference . You don’t have much to compare it to so you don’t know how it’s supposed to Sound and work compared to your setup . What part the world do you hail from ?
Put some real overdrive, distortion or fuzz between guitar and interface and use some clean or just a bit of crunch sound from software(that ends u being high distortion along with the pedal), tune the amount of distortion from pedal alone. This gives you a better distortion sounds than software alone.
TBH, based on what OP has posted in the past, there is something else problematic going on that needs to get figured out before more layers of complexity get added. Even without a hardware distortion pedal, there should be no problem getting into the general ballpark of what he is after.
If we had some sound samples from him, it would make it possible for us to give better advice.
@flo26 recommended Flection for sculpting his tone. I can say for me it’s done plenty to add gain and various distortions.
But save that for later. Try everyone else’s ideas first.
Nothing on IOS really works (for me) for high gain tones. They sound pretty good, but always have a 'thin' sound to me. I've tried pretty much everything and now stick to my desktop set-up - Zoom G5n for the distortion / overdrive and Nebula / Ownhammer libraries and (more recently) The Torpedo Wall of Sound IR system.
In my view, the weak spot of the IOS stuff is always the cabinet emulation (not the overdrive / distortion emulation before it) For one thing, I've noticed @flo26 always uses an IR on his IOS demos ?
Examples always speak volumes.
Sorry, I tried to do it from memory without going to "spell check" it online. Thank you for weighing in because there will be dozens of lurkers and forum visitors in the future facing the same issues of getting IOS to replace expensive guitar rigs to sound like their heroes.
I often find a hero can pick up your equipment and just blow you away with what they can do because there's a lot of magic in their hands that is only discovered by putting in the time and study the techniques of the masters. They also know which knobs to tweak to adjust the tone in the right directions. Thay can't make anything sound perfect... just make it sound better than you thought possible. It's one of the best reasons to find and work with a teacher that's farther down the road or at least watch videos from the masters with more clues.
But no one wants to start with that advice... it needs to be lived.
Have you ever given lessons online? I think that's a solid market for someone with your skillset. $/hour for Skype sessions for example with a fixed schedule.
Can I input a video here?
If it’s a YouTube video, just paste the url. The forum software will take care of the rest. If it’s a file then it’s best to put in Dropbox or other file service, then post the public url.
I also listed to a lot of the music you mentioned. I just bought a steinberg ur22 mk2 and also bought Bias FX full package. I went thru the same process as you trying to get a good guitar sounds. I am almost there, here’s some tips.
I hope this helps
Damn that's good advice
Post to YouTube then post a link. When you upload, you can tell YouTube to post as “unlisted”. That way people you give a link to can watch but it won’t show up in YouTube searches.
Just a few more thoughts to the OP. Are you looking for live jamming sound or something that you want to record that sounds heavy? I can tell you a few things from past... you have what you need to make hi gain/heavy sound. But here are some thoughts.
What is guitar tuned to? Can you drop down half step or drop d? Most bands like this will drop tune or use a nice 7 string 😁.
What gauge strings you have? Heavier strings might help... if your playing with 8 or 9’s maybe go to 10? Or get a hybrid set with lower bottom end.
I’m sure your using your humbucker on your axe?
If you want a wall of heavy sound it’s actually better to record 2-4 tracks at a lower gain and pan and eq like stated above. Do not copy and past tracks, you must record each take.
A lot of what you hear is good post processing from these bands. But you can still get great tones from amplitube and bias.
Good luck.
@ecou Sorry just read yours.... uggg said most same.
Then again it’s all in the fingers. 😁. Here are 2 gods jamming on iPads!!!
@McDtracy Thanks! Nothing like first hand experience
@Eye0sStudios No worries
If it’s good enough for Jeff Loomis and Marty Friedman than I’m not worthy. Lol
Then again was @Jdolecek48 just trolling us. Maybe he as not recovered from New Year party.
