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Input Gain/Gain Staging with AUv3

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  • JoshuaRexJoshuaRex

    @j_liljedahl said:

    @dendy said:

    ...

    Additionally, If you have daw with 32bit floating point mixdown option (on iOS this is possible just in Nanostudio 2 to my knowledge) there is no way how you can introduce clipping in your final mixdown :-))

    And AUM :)

    That's good to know, I've been sitting on quite a few AUM jams for a while. Time to put those out, I think. :D

  • JoshuaRexJoshuaRex

    @Max23 said:

    so you are only irritated by different looking fader levels? meh

    To be honest, this might be some of it - and the fact that I'd rather use them for automation and minor adjustments. That being said, I'll move faders all over the place if it means finishing a project correctly.

  • dendydendy
    edited February 2019

    There does exist a second function for such a feature - setting your levels at the input gain level so one could then use the faders for automation.

    i actually use ALWAYS for automation of track volume GainFX inserted at the end of fx chain (in Nanostudio), i never automate faders.

    This way i can simoly automste gain from "mute" to 0dB and don't need to think whats relative volume of tracks comoared to other channels - because that is set by track fader ;)

  • JoshuaRexJoshuaRex

    @dendy said:

    There does exist a second function for such a feature - setting your levels at the input gain level so one could then use the faders for automation.

    i actually use ALWAYS for automation of track volume GainFX inserted at the end of fx chain (in Nanostudio), i never automate faders.

    This way i can simoly automste gain from "mute" to 0dB and don't need to think whats relative volume of tracks comoared to other channels - because that is set by track fader ;)

    Ahhhh, so we're thinking with similar yet inverted logic. haha

    Maybe I'll take some time to get to know the Nanostudio 2 mixer and native FX a little better today.

  • JoshuaRexJoshuaRex

    @dendy said:

    There does exist a second function for such a feature - setting your levels at the input gain level so one could then use the faders for automation.

    i actually use ALWAYS for automation of track volume GainFX inserted at the end of fx chain (in Nanostudio), i never automate faders.

    This way i can simoly automste gain from "mute" to 0dB and don't need to think whats relative volume of tracks comoared to other channels - because that is set by track fader ;)

    Wait - what specifically are you using at the end of the FX chain for automation? Whatever it is, I wanna try it today. haha

  • dendydendy
    edited February 2019

    @JoshuaRex said:
    Wait - what specifically are you using at the end of the FX chain for automation? Whatever it is, I wanna try it today. haha

    Build in "Stereo Gain" insert FX in Nanostudio

    https://www.blipinteractive.co.uk/nanostudio2/user-manual/Effects.html#stereo-gain :-)

  • JoshuaRexJoshuaRex

    @dendy said:

    @JoshuaRex said:
    Wait - what specifically are you using at the end of the FX chain for automation? Whatever it is, I wanna try it today. haha

    Build in "Stereo Gain" insert FX in Nanostudio

    https://www.blipinteractive.co.uk/nanostudio2/user-manual/Effects.html#stereo-gain :-)

    Literally just discovered this as you replied. My god. haha

  • realdaweirealdawei

    @SevenSystems said:
    One situation I often encounter where a dedicated "gain" control or plugin would be useful even in the digital domain is when different plugins simply have vastly different output levels, but I don't want vastly different fader settings for them :) i.e. I have 2 basslines, the output signal from the synth for the first one is 18 dB louder than for the other, but I still want both at the same perceived volume and same fader position. In that case I'll need a -18 dB gain plugin or pot.

    Same.

  • TurntablistTurntablist

    @j_liljedahl said:

    @dendy said:

    ...

    Additionally, If you have daw with 32bit floating point mixdown option (on iOS this is possible just in Nanostudio 2 to my knowledge) there is no way how you can introduce clipping in your final mixdown :-))

    And AUM :)

    And Beatmaker 3.

  • dendydendy
    edited February 2019

    @Turntablist said:

    @j_liljedahl said:

    @dendy said:

    ...

    Additionally, If you have daw with 32bit floating point mixdown option (on iOS this is possible just in Nanostudio 2 to my knowledge) there is no way how you can introduce clipping in your final mixdown :-))

    And AUM :)

    And Beatmaker 3.

    @Turntablist

    No, BM3 does just fixed point 32 bit export, it means if your master is clipping, it is clipping also in export file, irreversibly.
    Difference between fixed and floating point 32 bit formats is, that even if your master is clipping, after you do export in floating point format, you can simply lower gain in exported file and it is again unclipped.Information is stored not clipped inside. NS2 allows both "signed" and "floating point" 32 bit formats.

    @j_liljedahl AUM does 32bit floating point exports ? Awesome, good job !

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited February 2019

    @dendy said:
    Difference between fixed and floating point 32 bit formats is, that even if your master is clipping, after you do export in floating point format, you can simply lower gain in exported file and it is again unclipped.Information is stored not clipped inside.

    Careful! If I happen to add enough gain (about 770 dB), even floating point will clip ;) ;) ;)

  • dendydendy

    @SevenSystems said:
    Careful! If I happen to add enough gain (about 770 dB), even floating point will clip ;) ;) ;)

    :))))))

    Yes, i know, you're from Germany, you already mentioned that :lol:

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @Max23 @dendy actually, I'm happy with the few German characteristics that I have, because I only kept the positive ones ;) the funny thing is that you find those traits (accuracy, nitpickery, honesty etc.) less and less in actual Germany. All the “good” Germans have emigrated ;)

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @Max23 said:
    the question is where to go? ^^
    where do I have the same freedom but less bullshit?
    I was flirting with NL, but they didnt want to hire me. :/

    I didn't consider Germany to be a particularly free society? Lots of regulations and bullying by the state. Some of the advantages that Ireland offers:

    • Some of the lowest combined tax and social security cost in the EU (I pay about half of what I paid in Germany (which has the highest rate among OECD countries))
    • The state is pretty much non-existent in everyday life (you do everything yourself or hire private companies for it, f.e. waste collection)
    • Much more relaxed lifestyle, "nobody cares"
    • More intact nature, far lower population density
    • No winter to speak of, no temperature extremes
    • Always close to the sea (it's a small island :))
    • people are very nice once you get to know them (that can take a bit of time though)

    (all of this applies to rural Ireland only and is of course a matter of taste :))

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited February 2019

    @tja said:
    @SevenSystems

    Sadly, I need big companies with big IT as work place.
    High Availability, Unix, SAN storages,...
    :'(

    Pretty much all of Apple has moved to Dublin and Cork by now ;) as well as Google, Amazon, ... I'm sure there's plenty of job opportunities there... but beware, I didn't yet list the disadvantages :D

  • OscarSouthOscarSouth
    edited February 2019

    Yeah Dublin’s not great — cool city and nice people generally but very hard to find a good life balance there. Most young-ish people are living in family houses bought by great-grandparents (and excited to move away to a bigger world) or working in the tech companies for a year or two before moving on — in my 3 years there I knew quite many people working in big tech and almost all moved on before I left to find a better life-balance.

    I achieved what I moved to Dublin to do in the last few months and next week I’ll be moving into a new place in Sheffield — possibly says more about my feelings towards that city than my words could!

  • gosnotegosnote

    It seems that there still isn’t a simple gain auv3 plugin available on iOS, according to my searchings? So please @SevenSystems - feel free to make one :D

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @gosnote said:
    It seems that there still isn’t a simple gain auv3 plugin available on iOS, according to my searchings? So please @SevenSystems - feel free to make one :D

    What host are you using? What sort of situation do you have that is requiring a gain-only plug in?

  • gosnotegosnote
    edited March 2020

    I’m using Cubasis 3 and would like to have a gain plugin for gain staging in the mixing phase. I would load it onto every track so a simple cpu friendly tool would be great. Of course one way is to use the clip gain in the audio events.

    I might add that metering within the plugin would be very useful - something like the Klanghelm VUMT plugin on iOS is what is missing.

  • michaelgrilomichaelgrilo

    Are there any iOS apps where I can directly edit the gain by "touch-dragging" the waveform?

    Hokusai is decent for taming transients, but I still have to go into a menu to pull this off.

    On desktop, I guess something like Adobe Audition comes the closest for me in terms of quickly gain staging a waveform.

    With touch input, ideally I wouldn't have to drag on a knob in a pop-up. It seems reasonable that we could directly interact with the waveform.

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