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I definitely hope this won't be your last lesson on this forum, but I do believe that grammar lecture is just not for you.
I can only speak for myself, but I am sure many people on this forum will agree that you have been writing some really valuable piece of advice here. I am not talking about musical theory or technical stuff but about your contribution concerning psychological and emotional aspects which are the basic factors driving the INTENTION when it comes to music making (or whatever else). Thanks to you, I keep remind myself everyday that :
1-no one in this world really gives a shit about what an audiobus forum member produces or thinks but that shouldn't keep me from producing or thinking.
2- I was not, am not, and never will be this incredible musician of my dreams but that shouldn't keep me from dreaming.
3- none of point 1 and 2 really matters as long as I keep on putting my heart in everything I do and keep on trying learning and getting better.
4- Above all, none of the previous points or any other point I could possibly think of should prevail over the fact that my days on this Earth are numbered. So let's try to make some fun out of the everyday shit.
In other words, Michael, YOUR the Man! 😉
It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
So is it Wells Fargo or Wells’s Fargo... or Wells cargo or Wells’s cargo?
@LinearLineman I know at least one American who believes two wrongs make one right, or as many mistakes as as possible make everything right 😆 👱♂️
both "you're" and "your" seem (to me) to relate to given ownership
so if we can accept ownership of our qualities (you're) and believe (as some do) that our possessions (your) own us, then both can work for me :)
"For an exact study, an exact language is needed." - GI Gurdjieff
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William Burroughs
"Proper evaluations of words and letters in their phonetic and associated sense can bring the people of earth to the clear light of pure cosmic wisdom." -Sun Ra
"Nature is a Language, can't you read?"- Morrissey
"Life's what you make it" - Mark Hollis
Thanks, @jankun. One more lesson. Stay away from grammar.
When people do that I always read it in my mind as “looooooooose”.
The original intentional shortening comes form the times of the limited in characters phone text message. In this case though, it isn’t what we’re talking about. In case of your and you’re it is just bad grammar or someone typing quickly and either not noticing the typo or being too lazy/hurried to correct it.
What makes it so contentious though, is the fact that we’re tapping into several big issues in today’s society. Class, education vs ignorance, old vs young, fast paced living, motivation, established rules vs transgression, non native language users...to mention a few.
Personally, it bothers me when such obvious mistakes take place but I’m not too bothered if it’s in the name of abbreviation or cheek. Context is the key here. Also if someone’s language is clearly due to the lack of attention or laziness surely it is an evidence of their shortcomings, not the reader’s which makes me wonder why is the reader bothered by it?
I’m not a mother tongue English speaker and articles and punctuation are my weak spot. Am I going to improve that, no way, too old for that but I can imagine how it could bother some. ;)
Here, i fund some great text messages from my labourers couple of years ago. Take it easy!
The only time bad grammar bothers me, is when a client sends in copy for their website riddled with mistakes.
What do I do? Correct it, or leave it as it is? I’ve been chastised on several occasions for correcting mistakes, but also for putting it up as supplied.
Innit.
i find this to be an interestesting idea ...
http://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/
Well YT annoys me....petty but frequently.
For example for the record .....the word is pronounced:
SYNTHESIZER
NOT
Sinter-sizer
Midi
NOT
MEE-DEE
If Digital sounds like Digital.
Should not Digitone and Digitakt be pronounced the same way?
Lastly.....
syn·the·size
Dictionary result for synthesize
/ˈsinTHəˌsīz/
NOT
SinDeeZis
yeah yeah all the YT fanboys will probably jump all over me because they know who I am referring but I don’t give a fu_k to be honest.
For me, real world real talk. I post what I would say in in real life to same people.
@supadom What makes it so contentious though, is the fact that we’re tapping into several big issues in today’s society. Class, education vs ignorance, old vs young, fast paced living, motivation, established rules vs transgression, non native language users...to mention a few.
Well put Mister Dom.
It is a fundament of us to first laugh at the old and then lament at the young...
Well, I obviously have a hard time with leaving this alone. So I feel compelled to say some more. Feel free to move on! And to those who think everything can be explained in a tweet, please avoid reading any of my comments. But for those of you who might consider me a rather benign, sometimes interesting and friendly force (tho a bit cantankerous) and for those few whose friendship I have come to enjoy, please read on.
1/ Though I have had several provocative encounters here, this one I find the most disturbing (to me). The reasons may certainly have to do with some physical and psychological issues that make my skin a little thinner. The only subjects that can really rankle me are racism and the curtailing of free speech. I guess the response here has triggered the second a bit (tho only in my mind! No one here is consciously attempting to do that... I think).
2/ So, please allow me to elucidate: upon reflection I would have postured this your you're subject as a question... Why do folks use "your" instead of "you're" so much these days? And then shut up. I was not really considering second language speakers (I am married to one and am in awe), cell phone users who are frustrated and possibly multitasking, and those in a rush. This lack of forethought may be the one thing I have in common with the free world leader who just failed abominably in Hanoi.
3/ Those exceptions aside, the remainder are either uninformed or just don't give a shit. I truly believe there are many young people who are tech marvels whose education has deprived them of the benefit and privilege of the public school education I had. I should know, cause I taught in inner city schools for a time, and the obstacles for both students and teachers were many and entrenched. I actually believe that this thread, though upsetting (mostly to me) may have changed the "your" habit of a few and that may lead to a general improvement of their communication skills and thoughts about its value.
4/ Now the interesting stuff.... I was surprised at the heated response and the sarcastic form many posts took. In a more balanced state I would have responded differently. But, honestly, I really felt the attack on me in a strong way. So what do folks, who don't like my style, don't like? I have heard "pedantic", "polemic", "living high on Mt. Sinai" "a lonely old guy sitting in a single room" "verbose" etc. Usually I take these comments from the source they come from and feel capable of defending myself if necessary. But... this feels different cause members I really respect seemed to be thinking I am insulting (even though I predicated my OP with saying I did not think people were uneducated here and I meant no offense) and that it was in bad taste to mention such a thing (maybe as drollery at a dinner party, ok). And their response was basically to make fun of me (goodnatured in several cases) and try to discredit my own understanding of grammatical issues ( see point 5).
4/ So I got to experience something pretty new for me, the effect on someone of being bullied and pushed pretty hard for an opinion I held (if only cause I am older and remember different values). And it was pretty powerful. Again, I am in a bit of a weakened state. I don't think most were truly unkind, but for all the expression of tolerance I felt untolerated.
5/ Here is what was most disturbing for me: I became intimidated into believing another's version of truth (now you get it). My use of Wells' was criticized by one member and I was presented with the evidence of my self righteous stupidity by another. So I caved.... uh... uh... uh, I was wrong! I am chastened! How dare I make an such an accusation when I am so flawed! However, since I am retired and can indulge myself, I investigated today. And, not to my surprise, I found Wells' to be a form acceptable to The Chicago Manual of Style, The Associated Press Style Book, and The Penguin book of Punctuation amongst others. This supported what I always thought, that both forms are acceptable. That I was dumb and hypocritical for using the form Wells' was, as Michael Cohen so eloquently put it, inaccurate,
It is a very small thing, I know. But I had never experienced in any form the mind altering effect of group condemnation. This is a tremendous insight and I thank you for it. My feelings about free speech and racism are only bolstered by tasting the tiniest amount of what millions, perhaps billions, feel every day by the tyranny of other's ideas and proclivities. Our knee jerk reactions to things we don't agree with and the form our responses take is significant to me. This forum conversation is innocent enough, but it has struck a deeper chord in me. Just my personal experience, and we do share that here. Best, Mike
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Hi,
yeah that's true!
nowadays, people don't pay any attention to what they write.
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@LinearLineman it’s been my experience that internet etiquette can be very different than what happens in offline situations.
I personally try to pay attention to what I write in my posts so they’ll be less confusing.
On the other hand I’ve come to accept a couple of things which have reduced the stress I experience:
I don’t expect you or anybody else to live by what works for me. Hopefully you’re able to come up with approaches which bring more peace and satisfaction to your life.
Maybe the solution is to do it as you'd do with kids. Repeat what they've said, but correctly, before providing the response. All this with a slight dose of patronising nonchalance.
Haha @supadom, I thought this slightly distressing subject was behind me. Wonder how you dug it up.
A pretty unimportant issue. Just my own personal peccadillo about the decay of detail in language. But, as pointed out, there are often good reasons why someone might not use the correct form. And now I think @McD intentionally mixes the two just to annoy me!
@InfoCheck, that is quite well reasoned, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Your own analysis seems to be an example of exactly what folks are disturbed by in this thread. I enjoy your contributions and respect your points of view, so please don’t misunderstand.
Elementary grammar and spelling mistakes do annoy me somewhat, as do people who can't be bothered to write in proper sentences with full stops (or periods, as my American friends call them). Sigh. I can't be the only one on here who rather snobbily can see an obvious link between the quality of an argument and how it is presented.
How miss ever important thread!?
U R right on the money, but ur lack of BS has always been refreshing. Now, the examples I'm using are considered normal SMS abbreviations and are completely interchangeable for both Your and You're. However there is no SMS shortening of Their and There, or Bear and Bare, Fare or Fair, Hare or hair, Layer or Lair, Pair or Pear, Wear or Where so, there are lots of chances for bad spellers to look dumb, but even worse, auto-correct can totally make even the best speller seem like a reTard.(someone who is a tard, and then again)
One can never escape the ghosts of the past.
Circus may leave town.
But sometimes those monkey stay on your back well after.
@LinearLineman I fiNk this is all “Boll Ox” there’s some propahhh iN Glishhh Grammmahhh innit BosS :-)
samesies.
@RUST( i )K... I don't think this circus ever shuts down. I'm glad, cause I stay up all night making music,
@syrupcore, you know I may do that. Guaranteed clicks.
You all know the word "persona", from which we get "person". Well, in Latin
" Sona " means "mask". The Greeks used a "sona" in the amphitheater doing their Euripedes and Aeschylus. It was designed to amplify their voices. Maybe the first microphone?. So how did this become "person"? You tell me.
"Per" means "by way of", so our definition of a "person" , etymologically speaking, is what comes "by way of a mask". Don't you find that odd? The Greeks knew we all wore masks even when we weren't. A mask can cover up a lot of things. Sometimes uncertainty. Sometimes a sense of inferiority.
We show our persona, our "person" to the world. And what is it? A mask.
And, of course, some masks are not welcome. Sometimes cause their masks are ugly and sometimes cause they tell the truth. Persona non grata. Interesting, no?
@LinearLineman The Greeks stole everything from Kemet - Original name for Egypt. It’s written on the pyramid walls. Just saying. History.
Saying that though your a cool dude. Just try not to stress the mind too much. Peace
@stormbeats, well, the Egyptians were damn good at wearing masks I am sure you will agree. But we're (or at least I'm) talking about Latin here, and those Latins never met an ancient Greek, let alone an Egyptian. You're ok in my book, too, my friend.
Huh? None of us have ever met an ancient Roman (or an ancient Greek, etc) but you've just laid out the linguistic connection between our currently spoken version of English and theirs (they're's? ;p). Why in the world would you disconnect Latin from the tongue spoken in ancient Egypt just because a random Roman in 100BC had never met an Egyptian?
FWIW, I reckon suggesting 'the greeks stole everything from Egypt' is awfully reductionist but the cultural connections are very real.
I see your over their