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Interesting! Didn't know this. Wavestation FTW on iPad then. At the same time, it shows how far miniature computing has come.
@mrufino1
The Wavestate is a very deep and expertly programmed synth, otherwise it wouldn't be able to handle these four layers of polyphony plus complex wave sequences plus filters plus quality effects etc.
In addition to that, it has a very large, excellent sample library included that also covers natural and orchestral instruments plus all the samples from the original Wavestation.
All that controlled by a knob and button panel that a 3rd-party manufacturer would likely ask $500 alone.
Doing that yourself is possible but it will probably take you half a lifetime to get there 😅
Exactly. Folks will recognize the sounds, not the CPU in your synth 😁
Wavestate is actually pretty different, imo. It has virtual analog filters, a lot more options in wave sequencing, etc.
I understand why you might look at the $40 price of the Raspberry Pi Compute Model 3 - i think that's what it is - and feel the way you do.
There was a thread a while back about another digital synth. Hydrasynth? Or Argon? I forgot. Anyway, some guy said he figured out what board was used for that synth, then added up the cost of the board, housing, keys, knobs, etc. then concluded "I give up trying to build it, I'll just buy the damn synth".
I get your other point though - a decently powered iPad and good selection of apps gives us all the synths we need to make music. But people just can't help but be drawn to synths with physical knobs, faders, etc. We've seen each other on other hardware synth threads.
@GovernorSilver Haha, I was partially joking. Also, gives me a reason to avoid a hardware purchase. 😬
Definitely get the hardware appeal. Just a module version.
Actually I'm more interested in the Minilogue XD these days
Yes, I didn’t mean I would actually try to build it, just that I hear the parts involved an start to think that I could...actually, in this case I can’t, I have no interest in computer programming, My years of struggling to use Linux laptops and android with custom roms to “fight the power” resulted in no music being produced (and I tried, believe me). My wife, who is a speech therapist, got an iPad. One day I snuck a look at GarageBand and not long after that, I had a used MacBook and an iPhone 4s. Eventually I got a 16gb iPad 2 (hers) and she got the shiny new whopping 32gb iPad 3... lo and behold, an album I did was released. No more desire to “fight the system,” just to use tools that work and help others get tools together in the system so they can work.
The reductionism in this thread is bordering on bizarre.
I don’t know if that is in reference to my comments, but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been. called bizarre.
Anyway, my point was even if I could do something with a ton of effort and learning things I don’t know, most of the time there is value in just using what an expert already built. DIY really should be because you enjoy it (when you are DIY’ing something that is not in your expertise), not as a way to save money, because it rarely does.
No, not at all.
Mostly responding to the notion that a $4 ARM CPU is in any way the defining characteristic of a carefully crafted instrument, forgetting all the expertise and passion that goes into creating hardware and software. The components inside the box are absolutely inconsequential. Who cares if it's an RPi, an intel CPU or box of leprechauns? It doesn't make a difference because Korg could swap it out at any point for any other component without changing the character of the instrument.
I'm not at all surprised If the Wavestate is running on a Rhaspie.
This considering that the Kronos is just a Intel Atom based PC running a custom Linux distro with Korg apps on top...
...which shows how efficient their software is! 😮
Try running a full-blown Kontakt library on an Atom PC at super-low latency.
True...
It also shows that a properly optimized kernel can do wonders
I think the polyphony limit on Kronos is there because of the CPU being used.
Theoretically you could probably put a 4Ghz i9 or something in there and get >1000 notes of polyphony.
Ironically Gadget can play more simultaneous notes than the current Kronos
I’m getting the impression that people think I disapprove of a synth being based on the RPi. I only mentioned it because I thought it was interesting and was amused that someone had sent the synth back when he found out. My position is much the same as @brambos. If I like the sounds and features and can afford the purchase, I’ll happily buy the box of leprechauns...
Leprechauns are the ultimate analog components
Don’t forget they invented McGintygrated circuits...
Tim Shoebridge demoes the Pluck V2 (Karplus-Strong) oscillator, comparing with the original:
Yeah, it's like DAC chips, they're dirt cheap, even the really 'good' ones. So why do the good mastering DACs cost over $1000? Lots of other hardware in those boxes, big transformers, software development costs. Can't do it without the coders.
But to get back on topic, the original Wavestation was Korg's bleeding-edge tech, premium synth at the time. Why does this new one come in a mostly plastic case with a 3 octave keyboard without aftertouch?
Because that cuts the price down considerably.
If you feel like adding a quality keyboard and a higher-quality enclosure then a DIY conversion would be one option.
The metal panel, knobs, buttons and the display are of fairly good quality and from the XD we know that the module version can be more expensive than the keyboard version.
True, I had the Minilogue (non XD) and was surprised that most of the pots were bolted to the plastic subframe. No wobbly knobs. Good build quality for the money. Just didn't like its sound.
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Maybe they'll make a desktop version like the XD. (It's over 19" wide, too wide to rackmount. Why doesn't anyone make rack synths anymore? I know, I know.
The Wavestation was mind boggling at the time, I'm just wishing for something as lustful as a Moog One or Waldorf Quantum from Korg. Silly, I know.
Honestly, if they packed the Wavestate into the case of the Quantum instead, people would pay a lot more and they'd still rave about it 😁
Have you had the chance to play a Wavestate yet?
Not yet. I'm sure it'll sound a lot better than the original Wavestation, which lacks the brilliant highs of the iOS/desktop versions.
More a systems perspective than components. Gestalt. An instrument is more than the chip inside (etc). I 100% agree.
It does.
And apart from the much enhanced wave sequencing engine, even if you don't plan to use it, there's a huge amount of new and really good samples coming with it.
Plus really great FX.
Do you have one? Can it load user samples yet?
Yup, its wave sequencing is still magical to me.
I had the AD rack too (takes external inputs), those FX were cutting edge at the time too. Amazing tech even to this day.
Yep and no, no user samples.
I don't miss that though with the samples on offer (even the original Wavestation or the iWavestation have too many samples already 😅) and for anything not covered in the Wavestate, I'm using AudioLayer.
See the voice name list
https://cdn.korg.com/us/support/download/files/17a38bfc62b8623c41393a0503477510.pdf
pages 11..18 for a first impression.
Nice! It has the DWGS waveforms. Those sound 'synthetic' like the Prophet VS waves.
Plus lots of analog synth waveforms and combinations.
Oh yeah, it's got a ton more the original. (It's got a lot more VS waves too).
You can still make your own wave seqs though right, with the onboard multisamples?
Absolutely!
Or just layer four of them in one patch.
@rs2000 Thanks, going to read the manuals, watch more videos. Wow!
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If you really want to get on topic, the Wavestate has its own thread here - worth checking out if you want to talk to an actual owner.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/37634/ot-korg-wavestate
@GovernorSilver Got it. My bad.