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Full Salamander Grand Piano for AudioLayer

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  • All the wind is out of my sails.

    I'm going to do some "instrument making" with SynthJacker using Loopback'ed MIDI and Audio on my iPad. Maybe I can make reasonable clones and delete some of the bigger disk hogs.

    Probably making "Layer" recordings and adding them one group at a time. I might use the "pedal" noises to supplement. I'll wait eagerly for an update to the App to make these imports easier to use.

  • @McD said:
    All the wind is out of my sails.

    I'm going to do some "instrument making" with SynthJacker using Loopback'ed MIDI and Audio on my iPad. Maybe I can make reasonable clones and delete some of the bigger disk hogs.

    Probably making "Layer" recordings and adding them one group at a time. I might use the "pedal" noises to supplement. I'll wait eagerly for an update to the App to make these imports easier to use.

    A while ago, I've suggested importing audio files without EXS because using file names to auto-map just works.
    The first thing I've tried was an acoustic piano layered with a vibraphone, both have many velocity layers and it just worked - later I found that the real limitations were missing modulations and overly simplified, unnatural release triggers. Adding pedal noises is another unsupported feature, and mis-using the modwheel to fade between layers disables the modwheel for other purposes.

    Of course, one could write a huge MidiFire script that works around some limitations, but
    1. it's a hassle and it has to be done specifically for every instrument,
    2. it has limited resolution by trying to control stuff via MIDI,
    3. many AL parameters cannot even be controlled via MIDI.

    AudioLayer lacks many EXS features anyway so the IMHO the main advantage of using EXS is to avoid potential sample renaming if an existing library has followed an incompatible naming scheme.

    It's like with all iOS music apps: We're in here because we love them for what they are and we love the challenge to work around the limitations.
    For a wide choice with full-blown features, there's no alternative to Mac/Windows, not even in 2019.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2019

    I think if AudioLayer had SFZ support I’d jump in to trying this Salamander thing just for the nerdiness of the challenge. A text file I can understand and debug. A format that I need a specialized program to convert/produce, no thanks. Renaming hundreds of files with the current import naming scheme, no thanks.

    Full Geek Respect to you guys for trying to take this on. I’m thankful I don’t have anything to produce ESX files so I’m not tormented by this thing defeating me.

  • I had a good session with SynthJacker and made a great piano for AudioLayer - until I realized I was getting samples labeled 1 octave lower (SynthJacker has a MIDI 60 is C3 or C4
    and I must have got it wrong). I used the AU Hosting feature of SynthJacker and it still has enough silence before the start of the audio that I needed to hand edit even sample in AudioLayer to move the start point.

    I'll try the "external hardware" Loopback method with Name-Volume-Note naming and see if that reduces the effort involved.

    I learned that some notes like A-1 cause AudioLayer to crash.

    I can adapt the MIDI numbering octave issue with transposing the input but I tried moving the pitch in the AudioLayer settings and made an interesting "felt" piano. That might prove interesting for some synth tone sample sets that have a lot if high frequency content.

  • Crashing every time for me, even after a hard reboot. I'm using the 48khz samples for what it's worth...maybe i'd have better luck with the 44.1khz samples?

  • @theartwebreathe said:
    Crashing every time for me, even after a hard reboot. I'm using the 48khz samples for what it's worth...maybe i'd have better luck with the 44.1khz samples?

    Are you using local or cloud storage? Does it get farther each time that it tries? (You can track the samples in its progress window).

    No idea if using the 16-bit samples will be different. On my iPad, it took two or three attempts for the import to complete. Since then it has been fine.

  • @wim said:
    I think if AudioLayer had SFZ support I’d jump in to trying this Salamander thing just for the nerdiness of the challenge. A text file I can understand and debug. A format that I need a specialized program to convert/produce, no thanks. Renaming hundreds of files with the current import naming scheme, no thanks.

    Full Geek Respect to you guys for trying to take this on. I’m thankful I don’t have anything to produce ESX files so I’m not tormented by this thing defeating me.

    The nerdiness of a challenge is what keeps the Geek goin' :D

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @theartwebreathe said:
    Crashing every time for me, even after a hard reboot. I'm using the 48khz samples for what it's worth...maybe i'd have better luck with the 44.1khz samples?

    Are you using local or cloud storage? Does it get farther each time that it tries? (You can track the samples in its progress window).

    No idea if using the 16-bit samples will be different. On my iPad, it took two or three attempts for the import to complete. Since then it has been fine.

    I'm using local storage (air-dropped from my mac, saved to AudioLayer folder On My Ipad). Nah, it seems to start at the beginning every time I tap on the EXS in the Files app. Still crashing after 10+ tries.

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  • @Connor This happens when you "save as..." on a link.
    If you tap/click on it and wait for your browser to ask you whether to download it, the name should be the correct one.

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  • @Connor said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @Connor This happens when you "save as..." on a link.
    If you tap/click on it and wait for your browser to ask you whether to download it, the name should be the correct one.

    Interesting, on iOS 14.3 there’s only ‘Download’ not ‘Save As’. Turns out the name issue occurs when you press and hold the file, just tapping it, as you said, works perfectly. Thank you 😊 Will give this a go and see if it installs.

    Btw, loving your work over on Patchstorage.com for Drambo. Truly inspiring, thank you 🙏

    Happy to hear that, thanks! 😃

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  • @Connor said:
    Well that’s a shame, it didn’t work.

    Fine installing the first file ‘SalamanderGrandPianoV3w’ resulting in an instrument but with no visible zones. When using the keyboard there were mainly release triggers, and some notes, audible from the region I played - I believe this was expected behaviour?

    In ‘Files’ tapping on the 3 Instrument zip files didn’t cause AudioLayer to automatically open. The result was an ‘instrument’ folder being created under ‘AudioLayer/Import’. That folder containing a folder called ‘EXS’ and the relevant .instrument file being in that. Tapping the .instrument file in Files or going through AudioLayer > Instrument > Import resulted the same, an unusable instrument with no visual zones and no audio.

    Shame that 18+ months on from the start of this thread Ravenscroft is still touted as the best iOS piano. I actually had success importing the lovely Sky Felt Piano (exs) from Pianobook.co.uk https://www.pianobook.co.uk/library/sky-felt-piano/ into AudioLayer. It was worth the entry price just for that as a sketching tool for me, but we really are missing resources for decent instruments to import into AudioLayer. Especially pianos.

    I wonder why the import isn't working. I use this daily. Can you post a picture of what the sample manager shows for your samples?

    It could be that the steps that worked for the ancient version are slightly different from what works now.

    Also AL now supports sfz files. And there is an sfz version that people use. Try a web search for salamander sfz.

    Note that there is an OS bug that causes tapping an sfz to not launch AudioLayer as it should if some other app is installed.

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  • i have salamander 48khz imported to audiolayer successfully.
    can't find a keyswitch for the sustain pedal, is there one anyway?

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