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Why do Synth Apps (Nave, Thor etc) not have effects Input so we can use them in other apps
I have emails the creator of Thor, Figure, Nave, Animoog, iPolysix, iKaossilator and others. I know you can use there sounds in other apps via midi but I do not understand why they to not add the Audiobus Effects support to their apps.
If you agree can you email them as well so this support is added.
Thanks
Craig
Comments
Magellan and NLog both have Effects support.
I'm not a dev (so anyone please correct me if I'm wrong!). You can't just add "effect slot" support with the push of a button. Every software/synth is programmed and wired differently. It might take way, way too much work and time to implement ways to route an outside audio signal through an apps onboard effects, and subsequently Audiobus support. Magellan and Nlog could have been built from the start to make things like that easier, or the devs just worked a lot on adding effect support.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean ability to effect the synth via Audiobus, or to implement a synth as an effect? I'm not a developer, but this would be extremely difficult to add to the sound engine.
Edit- Didn't see Chris's comment until I posted
Audulus can do this too.
OK, an example may help here.
If you use audiobus and add Chordion or polychord to the input slot, you can add Magellan or NLog to the effects slot and play any of the sound from Magellan or NLog in Chordion or polychord.
It would be nice if other developers did the same (Thor, Figure, Nave, Animoog, iPolysix, iKaossilator).
It would mean that we could use any of our music apps as effects and play their sounds in the app we choose to use and not have to go the midi path to get it to work.
Just a wish on my side. May never happen.
Sunvox can do this
Why don't you use midi for this?
I'm not sure your example is completely accurate. Apps like Chordion work with virtual midi, with or without Audiobus, so having Magellan in the fx slot isn't nessecessary to have it work.
I too could be wrong as I too am not a developer, but I also know that Magellan has dedicated effects with on/off switches, like a guitar pedal. Apps like Figure and Animoog do not so they might not be able to pass outside sounds through their effects engines. Does that make sense? If these apps were hardware, it'd be like Magellan was a synth plus 10 pedals you could chain as you like, while Animoog would be just the synth. You can pass any sound through the pedals, but the synth is standalone.
Not saying it couldn't be done, just that some of these apps probably don't process their signal in the same regards.
@CraigOZ
Hi - Your 2nd comment sounds like you are talking about midi (i.e. triggering sounds from Magellan from Chordion). You can do this without either app being in audiobus. The method that triggers notes in one app from another is usually midi and is not part of audiobus. So you could have chordion not in audiobus, still trigger magellan, which sits in the input slot in audiobus.. and then comes out of your speakers. In this way you can use Nave, Thor, Animoog exactly the same)
What others have been talking about (and what I thought you originally meant in your first post) is sending audio from any app in the Audiobus input slot (maybe chordion, maybe a drum machine like DM1) THROUGH another app in the FX slot to use the filters, effects in that 2nd app. Traditionally this would be an FX app like Turnado, WOW or any AUFX app, but some synths have been built to allow you to use their filters and FX (this is not the norm, however).
Sorry if I'm banging on about basics and have missed the point, but I'm not too sure which you are trying to achieve. I think you are talking about midi routing and thinking that the Audiobus FX slot is used for the midi receive synth
just wanted to mention SynthX which has audio input for its effects. I often processed microphone, hardware synths, and a second iPad through SynthX. No Audiobus though, I think I should write the developer.
One example for the wish list in this particular situation: Korg iMS-20
It would be amazing to use its External Signal Processor the way it should be used, like in the original.
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According to dates in the AppStore, Magellan was released before Audiobus and the free update adding its fx to the effects slot in audiobus was releases before apps like Nave, so I'm not really sure if it being a trivial/non trivial matter has anything to do with it. I hope most of these apps eventually add their fx in audiobus, whatever their current reasoning is for not doing so.
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@Muzetech said:
Audiobus can't route audio through an app. The app needs to support it. In some apps it might be a trivial matter to add it, in others it could be a messy long winded project. All depends on how the app is built/wired, and the skillz of the programmer. Both Magellan and the Nlog dev are really, really skilled iOS devs, that's been there since way back.
^Exactly. Some apps are designed and then done, others are designed to make futures updates and changes easier. Also lots of apps use lots of different audio engines so like @ChrisG said some apps it could be relatively simple whereas others could require being entirely rebuilt!
@ChrisG did you mean to quote me? Because I didn't say anything about audiobus routing audio through an app. My main point was that I didn't think devs not supporting the feature was a solely "trivial/non trivial matter". Also, I thought the Nlog dev was the developer of Nave, guess not. But really what I was trying to say was that some apps supported a main feature such as FX in the audiobus slot as an example of what could be done. I highly doubt the devs of animoog and nave lack the skill and know how in incorporating such a feature (especially Nave, seeing that there were examples already in place before its initial release so one would think it wouldn't be a case of what @JMSexton referenced [about an app needing to be entirely rebuilt]). Either way, for whatever the reason, we can all still HOPE that the effects from some of our favorites become available in the fx slot, just like Magellan LOL.
Hey folks!
Magellan WAS released before Audiobus. Because of the way we designed it, it was VERY easy to implement the FX capabilities for Audiobus (took less than 2 hours). But you're right: adding it to other apps depends on how that app was built/designed. It might not be possible with every app.
But I definitely encourage you to email devs and let them know you'd like that feature. Maybe it's possible, but the devs don't even know there's a demand for it? Personally, we always love to hear from users!
Cheers,
Jessie
@skoptic said:
I think the OP will be most interested in this line, as I understand it. Hits the nail on the head!
This is also something I've been wondering - so if it doesn't help the OP it will certainly help me! Cheers.
Yes it would be great to use Thor, Figure, Nave, Animoog, iPolysix, (iKaossilator? which FX?) in th FX slots, just use the INPUT as an OSC and you can Filter and MOD your Sound like you want, .....yam yam :-)
@all DEVs if you can do it, do it.
Korg and Nave have responded to my request and both said they will look into my suggestion.
The AudioBus Effect slot is created for effect processor apps and most synths are not an effect processor, for make The thing you have write (play Nave From Chordion) you don't need AudioBus ...you can with Virtual Midi.
You right to say that some synths are cool as and effect processor and for this point I ask to Dev to make iPulsaret as effect and iVCS3 too, and Dev have make bouth this apps with this option :-)