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Hi, is the SW track, “too high”. If yes, I listened to the ride well mixed on the right side. Very lively indeed. This interesting way to almost blur the line between hits on the bow and the bell of the ride might be related to the fact that Stevie Wonder being visually impaired and focussing on the feel of his song, might “see” in his inner eye the instrument in a different way. I feel it is a possibility...
I made few years ago for the Funky Breakbeat 1 IAP pack in DrumPerfect Pro, a song by SW with a similar ride.
It mixes ride bow and bell articulations in the patterns. In version 2 you could have only 2 articulations per instruments. Nowadays with v.3, you can have 10 of them! And there are 2 independent tracks where 2 different articulations ( sample groups ) can be played simultaneously, on any stroke. That means that it is easy to mix, let’s say, the bow and the bell of the ride samples. Without forgetting to use the new Humanizer to tweak the amount of “ timing imprecision” and velocity variations.
Another approach is to apply a certain amount of EQ on some frequencies for some variation samples, because the stick never hit the bow, bell or edge exactly in the same way. DPP graphic EQ will just do that, so samples will have a slightly different tone. The “ Complete” function can take care of this task automatically, if you wish to experiment. Just load few different samples and it will complete the missing ones in the instrument, by creating variations of the originals based on specific EQ and pitch.
I recommend the Jazz Session 1 (JS1) IAP pack too, which offers some really beautiful cymbals.
Here is an example of some patterns.
And another short example of jazz swing with piano and bass all samples played by DPP, with bass notes transposed in real time with the new pitch layer.
And since we are in the listening room, 3 bonus tracks to illustrate some of the creative possibilities in DPP3.
Your favorite?
Feedback?
Observations?
Good samples. This kit is included ( with few others ) as factory kits in DPP.
OK... DPP goes on the list too. Probably just ahead of Drumagog to stay in AUM more.
If I start making for an audience I'd probably learn to live in Auria but I like what AUM
offers for a one screen musical construction kit approach so AUv3 packaging wins out.
Maybe Drumagog will get the standalone AUv3 treatment (along with Lyra?).
@Gilbert : thanks for all that information. Yes, the track was "Too High" -- I am re-listening. His ride work is so stellar and interesting on it. And the track is mixed in such a way that the details stick out in a way they usually don't -- it is both turned up and panned so that you hear all the nuances. One of the things that sticks out his how he varies so much whether he is letting the stick lightly bounce off the bell and sometimes adjusting the grip to influence how much ring there is.
I'll give those examples you just posted a close listen. I really appreciate your taking the time to post your thoughts and the examples.
Let’s hook up mine, too. Mega drummer.
If you live near @Daveypoo, u live near me, and I have Drumagog, but haven’t dug in. We could meet up and check it out.
@Gilbert : those are nice examples. It would be great if you could do a Jazz 2 IAP that takes full advantage of the new articulation possibilities of version 3 -- and include a cymbal-articulation heavy kit. I would even be interested in a cymbals only kit. All those examples you posted sound great and I'd love to hear that Stevie example updated with even more ride variation!
I do have the desktop plugin but the main reason I bought it was just for the extra samples, I've never taken the time to make my own gog files, although I might do it someday.
I don't think Drumagog will work for realtime drums though, it's a drum replacement plugin so I don't think it can deal with realtime input, the drums need to already be recorded to the track for it to work, so it probably isn't what you're looking for.
If it can take the output of Ruismaker Noir (as an example or Axon 2) and
make those patterns using real drum samples it is yet another something I'm looking for that I didn't even know I should ask for.
I should watch more videos to understand it's uses. Good to know I probably won't need the desktop. But now these DPP examples are making me salivate.
I just stopped buying Drum App and figured I need to buy a MIDI Kit like the
$4,000 Rolands and started looking for lower cost trade-offs. Almost picked up a used Yamaha budget kit but FAC Envolver stopped that.
Yes indeed -- you can assign different colors and MIDI channels per pad. That opens up a bit more flexibility in an AU environment.
Hey... you have experience in 3 critical areas:
1) Audio Input (I know you're heads down in the audio domain)
2) MIDI out
3) AU products
Can you make an AUv3 App to detect incoming "sounds" (audio) like a spoon on a glass vs a spoon on wood and send MIDI NOTE output (MIDI out) with a
velocity that matches the incoming transients volume? Then we could take a glass and a table top and play virtual MIDI bongos. More detection capability
(like matching a recorded bit of audio) and triggering the MIDI out would
allow for use to layout a drum set and maybe use those foot tamborines or bells
to play a virtual drumset with cheap US tools that play MIDI Drum Kits.
I think if the first N milliseconds are easy to detect it could have acceptable latency.
If you build it I will pay for it and create demo tracks.
Using the stereo field to detect sounds might also work to use a body drumming
approach like slapping your thighs and stomping a foot.
It might also allow beatboxing input maybe. Is there an app for that yet?
Playing with Impaktor got me thinking about a drum looper and how to
make it match my muscle memory for playing the drum set. Cheap MIDI kits start at $300 and go up to $6,000.
Yes...
The app could have a "Learn" mode where you play a new "drum" a number of times and it learns how it sounds. (think Siri "Say Hey Siri").
Getting a latency of around 10 ms should be doable if the "drums" don't include very low frequencies (like stomping your foot).
If that means that you pay for the entire development cost, I'm totally in!
(sorry... I know that's not what you meant 
)... yes demo tracks sounds good.
I wouldn't recommend depending on stereo information... that would mean whoever uses the app would need a stereo microphone setup, which is probably a tiny minority... best to rely on mono like Impactor (white Apple headset mic is pretty good!)
If there isn't, it certainly sounds like an interesting project. And a bit of fun actually
Thinking of it, it could even be integrated into Xequence AU | Pads.
Never give up the rights for program that could make you rich! Rich I'm telling you. (Not buy-in' it?).
I'm really just glad to know it's feasible. FAC is likely already on it so finish that
Audio Recording App. Unless you're good and lucky...
"Do you feel lucky, punk?"
(Clint Eastwood in 'Dirty Harry').
I just want it to save spending $200 on a BopPad or $100 on a KAT MIDI PAD.
The DAW is a project that has an infinite amount of time reserved and gets bits done here and there. My reference timeline is NS2 (six years)
no rush!
I'll make a prototype for that drum app when I get back in the office though, sounds like too much fun to miss.
I don't have a TV 😂
Just look in a mirror: you'll be the Clint Eastwood "dirty" cop asking the punk with a gun if he feels lucky.
Someone mentioned Bleepstreet's Drambo might have the Impaktor ideas
brought forward but who thinks of some punk with no money and a pair of
sticks and his dad's iPad. @SevenSystems do. Impaktor's win was the looping but we have some AUv3 Looping now. I just need the MIDI output from Mic input. FAC Envolver gives me 1 note (well 2 potentially using 2 thresholds).
So more than 2 MIDI NOTES would advance the frontier. Accents (track velocity in the audio) and tricks to up the note count possibilities (frequency detection?) are pluses too.
The link below is a ride cymbal from a sample set that's no longer commercially available and it's one of my favourite ride cymbals (especially for funk/jazz type material, which is what floats my particular boat).
The cymbal that's been sampled is a Zildjian K-Custom Dark Ride.
Across bell, centre and edge, there's over 600 individual samples recorded from multiple mic positions.
It would be crazy to attempt to recreate the multi-sample set on iOS but the samples are well named so you'll be able to build something to your liking with a mix of round-robins and velocity trigger levels.
Enjoy.
https://d.pr/f/nqfEcU
@jonmoore said:
Thanks for sharing. K's are not for everybody for a lot of frequency spread
but jazz drummers love them so they can create a lot of dynamics from
varying stick speed (a lot of notes in a short period of time for example).
They can be made to roar with the complexity of a gong but never that loud.
You hit a gong with a 5 loud padded mallet and that gets loud. So, much fun
playing the "The Great Gate of Kiev" from "Pictures at an Exhibition" and such with orchestras or concert bands. Did anyone make a synth version of that piece? Tomita maybe?
@McD Funk/jazz drumming is where my heart is at, hence this being a ride that I love. It's particularly great when used to recreate classic drum breaks so anybody that yearns for that raw feel of 70's funk drumming should find some value.
But hey, nobodies forcing anybody to download the samples.
@jonmoore : tx!
Thanks! I've nabbed it, and I'll see if I can bring it into NS2 or DPP.
@McD: Did a bit of research on this. The main problem is that different "drums" that are played at exactly the same time would be pretty hard to detect right (this is difficult even for human hearing). I wonder if such an app would still be useful if it could only reliably detect "drums" if they're always played separately. (if two are played exactly at the same time, then only one of them would be recognized).
@McD : you can experiment with setting up bandpass filters in front of your Envolvers if your two 'hits' have major non-overlapping bumps. Years ago, I used that for rudimentary triggers. Filters use up little CPU and don't have much latency.
What you trigger also has a big impact. Great responsive triggers being sent to a simplistic sampler won't sound right.
Good tip. @Hmtx actually created a demo of that technique using Pro Q2 on the original thread:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/32380/drumming-with-fac-envolver-as-midi-trigger-no-scripting-for-rc275-geoshred-sunrizer/p2
Lately, I've been pushing to see if developers will build an all-in-one tool like Impaktor that also has an AUv3 feature for the MIDI FX crowd.
I hacked the StreamByter script to use FAC Envolver for rhythmic input with accents (detect Peaks and send the volume of the Peak) and the MIDI NOTES coming from a Generator like Fugue Machine so the notes are varied and based on scales.
I'll keep rolling my own MIDI Drum Trigger setup (like a BopBod but just using the internal Mic) and hoping the ideas rolled integrated into some AUv3 Apps.
Having natural sounding Ride Cymbals I can play with sticks on a practice pad is my personal goal but a new form of MIDI Controller is the big picture. A guitar player could tap on the guitar body (or the neck) and the iPad would play a cajon or a Kalimba or and AUv3 instrument.
I need to send the audio from a MIDI Guitar 2 into FAC Envolver and the MIDI detected from MIDI Guitar 2 into these AUM "rigs" and see what emerges.
You were faster than me on that one
Working like a crazy horse lately
EDIT: Now anxious to get home and check @richardyot and @jonmoore 's links... Proxy blocks everything
Voxkit?