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Moral Dilemma Movies? / List the Best

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  • If you want moral dillemma's. Just listen to (audiobooks) or read Plato you can't get them better.

    First Alcibiades
    Second Alcibiades
    Apology
    Charmides
    Clitophon
    Cratylus
    Critias
    Crito
    Epinomis
    Euthydemus
    Euthyphro
    Gorgias
    Hippias Major
    Hippias Minor
    Ion
    Laches
    Lysis
    Meno
    Parmenides
    Protagoras
    Phaedo
    Phaedrus
    Philebus
    Republic
    Sophist
    Statesman
    Symposium
    Theaetetus
    Timaeus
    
  • I think there's a commercial reason why there might be few movies that meet your criteria.
    We live in the age of "wish fulfillment". Most movies create impossible scenarios for the "hero" and then craft a plausible escape usually relying on a magical alternative to the harsh realities of "nature", torture and imprisonment.

    Lately, we've shifted towards stories that focus on the anti-hero that uses the tactics of the villain to succeed with "Breaking Bad" getting pretty damn close to meeting your criteria but told in such a way that every "crime" is motivated by self-preservation or revenge. People love new narratives that pass the "wish fulfillment" criteria to leave us satisfied.

    I'm not sure a film maker could secure funding for a real moral dilemma that confronts the "no way out" scenario when every other successful movie has repeatedly found a way out:

    Harry Potter

    Marvel's 22 movies with the biggest success ending on an apparent outcome where the Hero's are defeated in Part 1 and Part 2 is in the theaters so I'll avoid any spoilers.

  • It is basically two lemmas. You get both, for the price of one lemma.

  • edited May 2019

    @Max23, yes, I misunderstood and I'm gonna stick with my misunderstanding. It works a lot better for me, but I may have to stop quoting it. Damn!

  • 'No Country For Old Men' ... take the drug $$$ or don't ?

    but if he hadn't, there wouldn't be much of a movie left.

  • Paths of Glory (Victory at all costs).

    A Clockwork Orange (punishment or reintegration).

  • Would "Pulp Fiction" fall into this category? Lots of grey areas in that movie.

  • Mean Streets

    All of life is a moral dilemma for Charlie.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Would "Pulp Fiction" fall into this category? Lots of grey areas in that movie.

    I think in moments it would. But grey areas are not always moral dilemmas. Sophie's Choice is the most obvious example, she had to choose between two terrible "immoral" outcomes.

    There used to be moral dilemma questions that floated around like, the Louvre is on fire and one elderly woman is trapped inside. Time has run out, do you save the elderly woman or the Mona Lisa? So in the end you are either responsible for the death of an elderly woman or responsible for the destruction of a great work of art. Which is worth more? The life of a woman that may only have a year or two to live, or an irreplaceable work of art that has brought joy to millions?

    It's only applicable when the character wants to be moral. So a gangster deciding whether to shoot the old lady or the small child isn't a moral dilemma.

  • @abf said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Would "Pulp Fiction" fall into this category? Lots of grey areas in that movie.

    I think in moments it would. But grey areas are not always moral dilemmas. Sophie's Choice is the most obvious example, she had to choose between two terrible "immoral" outcomes.

    There used to be moral dilemma questions that floated around like, the Louvre is on fire and one elderly woman is trapped inside. Time has run out, do you save the elderly woman or the Mona Lisa? So in the end you are either responsible for the death of an elderly woman or responsible for the destruction of a great work of art. Which is worth more? The life of a woman that may only have a year or two to live, or an irreplaceable work of art that has brought joy to millions?

    It's only applicable when the character wants to be moral. So a gangster deciding whether to shoot the old lady or the small child isn't a moral dilemma.

    Ah, that helps define it for me better. :) Thanks mate. (Being Autistic, I have more of a literal way of thinking, but I've been teaching myself how to think in more grey concepts since my 20s. I've learned a lot, but still have a long way to go.)

    As far as saving the elderly woman vs the Mona Lisa, I'd probably choose to save the elderly woman. It would really suck to lose the Mona Lisa, but a person's life is more priceless to me than a priceless piece of art. Your mileage may vary.

    Then again...if the elderly woman was passing away from cancer and decided she wanted to go quickly, then I'd have no choice but to save the Mona Lisa painting and honour the woman's wish.

  • Also to add to the very short list, what about "Gerry" (Gus Van Zant)? Two city guys (both named Gerry) go for a walk in the Arizona desert and get lost. They are dying of heat and thirst. Finally, near death, one Gerry asks the other to be merciful and kill him. That is a moral dilemma- kill another human being or let him suffer.

    I won't give away the end but it is a true story with a real life ending.

    The thread title says "list the best". I'm not putting this in the best category, it just came to mind.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    As far as saving the elderly woman vs the Mona Lisa, I'd probably choose to save the elderly woman. It would really suck to lose the Mona Lisa, but a person's life is more priceless to me than a priceless piece of art. Your mileage may vary.

    Then again...if the elderly woman was passing away from cancer and decided she wanted to go quickly, then I'd have no choice but to save the Mona Lisa painting and honour the woman's wish.

    That's exactly how I feel about it. When I was a kid my dad once posed that question at the dinner table. He thought a person should save the painting, because old + woman = two strikes, so who cares?. My dad could be a real a$$hole.

  • @abf said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    As far as saving the elderly woman vs the Mona Lisa, I'd probably choose to save the elderly woman. It would really suck to lose the Mona Lisa, but a person's life is more priceless to me than a priceless piece of art. Your mileage may vary.

    Then again...if the elderly woman was passing away from cancer and decided she wanted to go quickly, then I'd have no choice but to save the Mona Lisa painting and honour the woman's wish.

    That's exactly how I feel about it. When I was a kid my dad once posed that question at the dinner table. He thought a person should save the painting, because old + woman = two strikes, so who cares?. My dad could be a real a$$hole.

    A painting can always be remade stroke-for-stroke. I'm sure many artists before and current have studied the Mona Lisa in great detail and have tried to recreate it as a way of learning how to paint. And I'm sure more artists in the future will do the same.

    Your father...I could see the "she's elderly and hasn't much longer to live" aspect, but he considers her being a woman as a strike? That's a big sexist "yikes". 😳 Without women, we wouldn't be alive. I wonder who hurt his pride in the past, lol.

  • There are a fair few moral dilemmas in The Silence of the the Lambs. Rewatched it again the other day, so good, and has aged very well apart from its trans controversy legacy and real world bad impacts on trans people

  • I would also add to the list the excellent movie Apostasy, about Jehovah's Witnesses, and maybe the 2011 documentary 'Kumaré'. The latter in particular is best watched knowing as little as possible about it before you watch it - don't read any reviews first!

  • Hitchcock’s “I Confess.”

  • Well you can start with one of the earlier (if not the earliest) classics of that specific genre :

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0026246/

    Crime and punishment (1935)

  • edited July 2023

    Roman J Israel Esq.
    Michael Clayton
    Flight
    John Q.
    Up In The Air
    The Apartment
    The Dark Knight
    Force Majeure
    Breaker Morant
    Crash
    Prisoners

    makes for great movies. 2 absolute favorites of mine on there

  • edited July 2023

    Unthinkable

    It’s about how far you can go to save millions of lifes. If there is any boundary.

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    Roman J Israel Esq.
    Michael Clayton
    Flight
    John Q.
    Up In The Air
    The Apartment
    The Dark Knight
    Force Majeure
    Breaker Morant
    Crash
    Prisoners

    makes for great movies. 2 absolute favorites of mine on there

    Yes, but WHICH two?

  • edited July 2023

    @dendy , big Yes for Unthinkable. God, that movie was hardcore! Came upon it without knowing anything about it, and boom (literally.)… Samuel L Jackson, the ‘specialist’ who will deliver… but do you really want him to? Not surprising, really, that it seems so little well known, given how little concession it makes to being liked as a movie. The trailer makes it seem a lot more rock n roll than it is, as you’ll know if you had the privilege of seeing it. It’s really a chamber piece which could play out in a single set theatre.

    Similarly on the ‘actually we’re grown ups here, and the world is a cruel messy place’ front:

    (Full movie: English subtitles in the YouTube settings menu)

    The Battle Of Algiers is often seen as a ‘left wing film’ (whatever that is), supporting the Algerian liberationists against the colonial French, but the movie itself has always seemed to me to be absolutely even handed in its portrayal of the evils and brutalities both sides engage in to further their respective aims in their struggle.

    The scene where the French Foreign Legion colonel asks the politician if he really wants the soldiers to solve the problem is as clear eyed a depiction of what happens when you get exactly what you ask for as I have ever seen. And as for the sweaty palmed tension of the bomb planting scene… wow.

    Just such an excellent, difficult, properly adult movie, with no Hollywood answers. (And a soundtrack by Morricone, too!)

  • The Apartment, The Dark Knight

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