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OT: The Enemy Within

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  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @InfoCheck said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Just saying hi before the thread gets locked, no politics on the Audiobus forum and all that.

    I am lucky to live in Canada where everything is perfect and therefore don’t need to pay attention to politics.

    Hopefully North Koreans have developed an accurate guidance system, your neighbors can resist shiny red buttons, and the winds are not out of the south.

    Yah true dat, but I am pretty sure ‘natural causes’ are guaranteed to happen soon enough anyway so I will just do my best to ready my soul in any case.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @knewspeak said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @AudioGus said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    Casual nihilism

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @AudioGus said:

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    AG I thought the 'fudge it' vote was (not voting at all).... If someone were to suggest that voting for Trump as a fudge it vote was merely a way of giving that vote an acceptable way out and excuse to exist, I could see their point, of course if that's what people do then that's their lot, but then what are we calling the non-vote for the same reason these days?

  • Ripper7620Ripper7620
    edited May 2019

    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    I think he's definitely changed the country in regards to the rule of law and the level of acceptability towards outright challenges to the constitution.

    I think he definitely has the power to drain the swamp in his immediate vicinity if he changes his template for the kind of people he picks to work for him

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    Casual nihilism

    ‘Fuck it’ to me is more what I would say in my head before leaping off a cliff after a few tequila. This is either going to look awesome on instagram or split my head open. Either way, it might look awesome.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    :D

  • mannixmannix
    edited May 2019

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    AG I thought the 'fudge it' vote was (not voting at all).... If someone were to suggest that voting for Trump as a fudge it vote was merely a way of giving that vote an acceptable way out and excuse to exist, I could see their point, of course if that's what people do then that's their lot, but then what are we calling the non-vote for the same reason these days?

    I clearly have not thought this through.

    The times I haven’t voted in my own little beaver elections were usually because I had no particular issues that mattered to me at the time (that were on the table) and all the candidates seemed just peachy with no major evils lurking. Probably should have went anyway, but a random vote was kind of like a non vote to me. Anyway, now I am up on the important issues like what month the trout pond should be stocked etc.

  • Ripper7620Ripper7620

    @kobamoto said:
    I think he's definitely changed the country in regards to the rule of law and the level of acceptability towards outright challenges to the constitution.

    I think he definitely has the power to drain the swamp in his immediate vicinity if he changes his template for the kind of people he picks to work for him

    Thank you for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it, and your point is well received.

  • Ripper7620Ripper7620

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this.

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would happen with Clinton as president.

    Thank you for the reply, I very much hope that he will keep us out foreign conflicts.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    AG I thought the 'fudge it' vote was (not voting at all).... If someone were to suggest that voting for Trump as a fudge it vote was merely a way of giving that vote an acceptable way out and excuse to exist, I could see their point, of course if that's what people do then that's their lot, but then what are we calling the non-vote for the same reason these days?

    I clearly have not thought this through.

    The times I haven’t voted in my own little beaver elections were usually because I had no particular issues that mattered to me at the time (that were on the table) and all the candidates seemed just peachy with no major evils lurking. Probably should have went anyway, but a random vote was kind of like a non vote to me. Anyway, now I am up on the important issues like what month the trout pond should be stocked etc.

    I'm having trout today for lunch at the westside tavern. in the future our descendants will write hearty tales of our synergy down on stone tablets after all of the trees and electricity are gone and we have reverted back to the Stone Age

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    AG I thought the 'fudge it' vote was (not voting at all).... If someone were to suggest that voting for Trump as a fudge it vote was merely a way of giving that vote an acceptable way out and excuse to exist, I could see their point, of course if that's what people do then that's their lot, but then what are we calling the non-vote for the same reason these days?

    I clearly have not thought this through.

    The times I haven’t voted in my own little beaver elections were usually because I had no particular issues that mattered to me at the time (that were on the table) and all the candidates seemed just peachy with no major evils lurking. Probably should have went anyway, but a random vote was kind of like a non vote to me. Anyway, now I am up on the important issues like what month the trout pond should be stocked etc.

    I'm having trout today for lunch at the westside tavern. in the future our descendants will write hearty tales of our synergy down on stone tablets after all of the trees and electricity are gone and we have reverted back to the Stone Age

    Mmmmm, trout based synergy...

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited May 2019

    @Ripper7620 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I think he's definitely changed the country in regards to the rule of law and the level of acceptability towards outright challenges to the constitution.

    I think he definitely has the power to drain the swamp in his immediate vicinity if he changes his template for the kind of people he picks to work for him

    Thank you for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it, and your point is well received.

    as far as foreign conflicts go, he also set a new standard for violating agreements with other countries, so now whether it be an ally or a foe... anyone making an foreign policy agreement with the United States can renege if they want

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @knewspeak said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

    A lot of people in the UK did the same with their UKIP and Brexit ‘protest’ votes, but as comedian Stewart Lee pointed out:

    “Voting UKIP is a bit like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed.”

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @MonzoPro said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @knewspeak said:
    The wacky views Donald Trump espouses (which indeed, change, depending on which side of his ‘brain’ is firing at any particular time), were held by his ‘supporters’ prior to him taking office, he’s just ‘enabled’ them to say them out loud.

    He is the embodiment of the id of so many of his supporters. He can express the same belligerent ignorances they share while seemingly suffering no consequences. They do not enjoy the same luxury in their miserable lives.

    Yes, but also a lot of people who voted for him, did so out of desperation, for change, regardless of what that would bring.

    A lot of people in the UK did the same with their UKIP and Brexit ‘protest’ votes, but as comedian Stewart Lee pointed out:

    “Voting UKIP is a bit like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed.”

    Oh yes, that fiery ‘protest’ vote will set the world ablaze.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @AudioGus said:

    The ‘fuck it’ vote is very powerful.

    AG I thought the 'fudge it' vote was (not voting at all).... If someone were to suggest that voting for Trump as a fudge it vote was merely a way of giving that vote an acceptable way out and excuse to exist, I could see their point, of course if that's what people do then that's their lot, but then what are we calling the non-vote for the same reason these days?

    I clearly have not thought this through.

    The times I haven’t voted in my own little beaver elections were usually because I had no particular issues that mattered to me at the time (that were on the table) and all the candidates seemed just peachy with no major evils lurking. Probably should have went anyway, but a random vote was kind of like a non vote to me. Anyway, now I am up on the important issues like what month the trout pond should be stocked etc.

    I'm having trout today for lunch at the westside tavern. in the future our descendants will write hearty tales of our synergy down on stone tablets after all of the trees and electricity are gone and we have reverted back to the Stone Age

    Mmmmm, trout based synergy...

    lol

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    Like other times in his life, Trump INHERITED the thriving economy that Obama had turned around from the last disastrous republican administration.

    Most average people?
    Why has he never broken 50% approval among "average people"?
    Never.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    Not sure the average American is so happy with the economy. The Average Joe does not have a 401k, or the best healthcare or a way to pay for their kids education. Many millions live from week to week hoping no crisis will wipe them out. By what measure do you grade this great economy for them?

  • mannixmannix

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    Like other times in his life, Trump INHERITED the thriving economy that Obama had turned around from the last disastrous republican administration.

    Most average people?
    Why has he never broken 50% approval among "average people"?
    Never.

    Approvement rates according to the same compagnies that predicted a landslide victory by Hillary

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen
    edited May 2019

    @mannix said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    @mannix said:

    @Ripper7620 said:
    One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office? Are we still fundamentally on the same course we were on, before he took office? Thank you in advance. Also, as a bonus question, is he actually “draining the swamp”, or do you believe he can “drain the swamp”?
    To the best of my knowledge, the patriot act stands as it was written, along with what all it entails.

    He hold back on foreign politics. The dems were on collision course with Russia, especially in Iraq where the US dems wanted regime change and supported extremist muslim organisations to bring this

    On the other hand under Trump economy is doing fine, which I doubt would have happened with Clinton as president. For most average people Trump is doing fine.

    Like other times in his life, Trump INHERITED the thriving economy that Obama had turned around from the last disastrous republican administration.

    Most average people?
    Why has he never broken 50% approval among "average people"?
    Never.

    Approvement rates according to the same compagnies that predicted a landslide victory by Hillary

    You do know that you are just enabling Fat Donnie's narcissism and paranoia, don't you?

    Ahem...over 3 million more...

    Would that also be the same compagnies (sic) that accurately predicted the bloodbath suffered by the Trumpkin Party in 2018?

  • mannixmannix

    @LinearLineman said:
    Not sure the average American is so happy with the economy. The Average Joe does not have a 401k, or the best healthcare or a way to pay for their kids education. Many millions live from week to week hoping no crisis will wipe them out. By what measure do you grade this great economy for them?

    I'm not saying that the average American is totally happy with the economy. I was responding on a question by @Ripper7620 "One question I would pose in regards to Trump, is has he changed the course of the country, in regards to the course it was on before he took office?"
    I really doubt that Hillary would have done a better job.

  • greengrocergreengrocer
    edited May 2019

    Okay I decided to join in.
    My first question: Is there anybody in this thread that changed or is ready to change his/her opinion because what (s)he reads in this thread? If not why should an opponent with the same attitude (not ready to change opinion) listen to you?

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    @greengrocer, my purpose is to promote civil discourse as a first step to being able to really listen. Is it possible? I don’t know. What I do see is very little evidence to advance an argument in favor of the current administration. Over three thousand folks have hit on this thread. What does it mean that only @CrazySynthMan has made an attempt (though not supported by facts) to represent thinking counter to the group mind that is loudest here. Until we get really cogent arguments it is hard to consider altering my thinking. Of course many might say the Trumpian argument is that a cow is not a cow, but just a potential hamburger based on a fake four legged platform.

  • mannixmannix
    edited May 2019

    @greengrocer said:
    Okay I decided to join in.
    My first question: Is there anybody in this thread that changed or is ready to change his/her opinion because what (s)he reads in this thread? If not why should an opponent with the same attitude (not ready to change opinion) listen to you?

    Now this are interesting questions. I see myself as a left leaning libertarian, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary. Yes, there are alternatives :) At first I was afraid of what Trump would be doing. But the longer he's in power and the more I see the left hysteria and fake news targeted at him (ie Russiagate) the more I start to appreciate him. Especially hearing @CrazySynthMan gives me food for thought. My mind isn't made up yet. But Bernie blew it for me when I decided to stand behind Hillary in 2016. The only dem that at the moment has my serious approval is Tulsi Gabbard.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited May 2019

    @LinearLineman said:
    @greengrocer, my purpose is to promote civil discourse as a first step to being able to really listen. Is it possible? I don’t know. What I do see is very little evidence to advance an argument in favor of the current administration. Over three thousand folks have hit on this thread.

    Isn't it that the thread has been hit over 3000 times by a small handful of people? I am probably at least 50 of those... if not more.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    3000 and counting is a lot @AudioGus. They can’t all be us!

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    Bigly financial genius with the bestest ethics ever!!!
    The Daily 202: Tax records show how Trump profited off spreading rumors — until investors stopped believing him - The Washington Post
    https://apple.news/Al-FsE5v0TYaveAm-nX3MmA

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