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Count on it! The UK and Ireland are HIGH on my list, so it'll be sooner than you know!
@JanKun I completely agree, except for the Japan part 😆😉
@chocobitz825 It still hasn't completely sunk in yet!
Just wanted to follow up on this thread with one more detail:
It's really real now!
Congrats. If you're ever in London, Let me buy you a decent pint of beer 🍺
Cheers.
Trust me - next time I jump the ocean, I'm going back to this thread to take everyone up on their beer offers!
For those interested in knowing more about the process and my journey:
Congratulations DP! Does your present age exempt you from military service?
It does, however Italy gave up conscription a number of years ago, so it's not something that I have to worry about for the kids either.
When do you leave ?
Awesome, @Daveypoo
Congrats on your achievement
Wish you all the best and success+happiness regarding this development
Won't be for at least another year - the wait to hear back was 15 months, so we deliberately held off on doing any research since it may have been invalid by the time we heard back. We've started digging in, but it'll be awhile between that and getting our finances in order. I've got to figure out work, etc. I'm just so happy that the legalities are a non-issue now - that has been the biggest and most insurmountable hurdle to getting us to Europe on a more permanent basis. The rest will just take time and diligence - and time I got!
I'm guessing you are gallantly sidestepping the subject of Italian politics
They have their moments, just like the rest of us. It's a discussion I'm happy to have, just not here and not via the internet.
Congrats mate, I hope it works out for you and the family. I've lived in Italy for around 6 years in three different locations.
You're right, the food is second to none, and I'm not talking of primi piatti. The Landscape, architecture, nature and history are all top notch. The politics, burocracy and auvert racism and provincial attitudes are those things I don't like about the country though.
I'm forever linked to Italy as my both kids are half Italian so basically Italian is the official language of the house. My better half is quite happy to go back just for holidays but she does miss the food. I'm polish so what do I know
That's fantasatic! I'm envious you've been there for so long.
Look - I'm the first to admit that Italy has a TON of problems, and to be very honest I'm sure I don't know the half of it not living there myself. I'm as familiar with the political climate as I can be, and you are correct - overt racism is an unfortunate reality in Italy. While these aren't positions I agree with, they are certainly familiar to me having grown up in a primarily Italian-American household. This is definitely not the same as living in Italy, but there are common threads running through both experiences.
To dance around the issue a bit but still address it: I hate the politics in both the US and in Italy at the moment, however ultimately I feel like I care about politics a lot less when I'm actually in Italy. There are a lot of contributing factors, and I'm well aware that vacation goggles are a real thing and nothing like the experience of daily life, however I am willing to give it a go at least. It may not be the be-all-and-end-all, but it's the start of something new and that's the important thing I want to focus on now, since that's what I have control over.
Hopefully that explains my position a bit better without starting an argument. And I truly hope that we can go out for a caffe and have a laugh when it all comes to pass.
Hey, that's nothing.
The post-Brexit future of Britain is so f**ked they are already making dystopian video games about it
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-04-london-set-watch-dogs-legion-details-leak-will-let-you-play-as-any-npc
I was absolutely convinced that the majority, however narrow, would've voted Remain.
What the hell do I know?
https://media3.giphy.com/media/xUPGcibnplQS7BNv4A/source.gif
As an American you're excused. Baffling to me that so many British people were also convinced though.
Errr...I’m on best behaviour and not engaging in the ensuing political discussion about how fucked uk is and who was surprised by what. I’m only going to say this:
Everybody seems to know exactly what is happening while they know very little (jack shit) including myself. Peace
So @Daveypoo yeah, coffee would be great, albeit for me before the high noon. By the way, so you’re still back in the old US of A? Whereabouts are you moving to in Italy?
Yeah - it's a mess. And a shame.
And we'll leave it at that.
Yeah - I'm in California.
Not sure about the where - nothing south of Rome for sure, but beyond that I don't know. Definitely targeting a larger city as we're both city people, so the list right now is kinda long. It's really difficult to find information on moving that isn't either college-age folks moving for a couple semesters, or independently wealthy retirees.
Nothing against either of those groups, but I don't fall in those categories so a lot of the info doesn't directly apply. We're probably going to do a reconnaissance mission next year and check out a few different cities. Until then I'm just trawling the internet and YouTube for scraps of info on anything related to moving with kids.
Suggestions? We're checking out the obvious cities: Rome, Florence, Milan, Genoa, Turin, Bologna, Siena, Ravenna, Bolzano... amongst others I can't remember at the moment. The list right now is way too long since we just started, and I don't have enough detail to really start narrowing it down yet. I'm all ears if you have thoughts... nothing is better than boots on the ground!
I've lived in Rome for a year and a bit. That was my busking period but I mainly sofa surfed and basically survived. Amazing city but can't say more really. Last time I've been i found it dirty and dusty. High pollution especially in the summer but lovely for vespa rides at 3am. I know not so useful info.
Then I've moved to Milan for over 3 years in a long term relationship with an Italian girl. Did some busking there but mostly worked at open air markets selling clothes as an employee. Milan has stronger economy, more jobs, quite vibrant musical scene but that goes for all of Italy just the north is maybe more likely to pay for music. I found Milan too big for me but I like smaller places like Oxford where I currently reside.
Then I had a 6 months spell in Turin. That wasn't fun. I followed a girl, try to make it work but missed Oxford after a while working as a do it all at a car mechanic garage. I liked proximity of mountains for climbing walks etc but I was drawing impossible comparisons to Oxford which is a little jewel.
Sorry I'm not writing my life story just trying to show the point of view I'd see those places from. Definitely not of a family of four.
I've heard great things of Bologna but never lived there. Also Firenze. Both university cities which might be an asset for you as a tutor of English?
One thing to bare in mind is that Italy at the moment is in a deep political and economic crisis. Many young Italians are leaving just as they did 100 years ago to America. The good thing is that having a European passport might let you consider other countries as well.
You're brave to be doing this with the whole family but you guys seem like adventurous types so worth a go I guess. Worse come to worst you could treat it as a big adventure before heading back to SF to finally settle down
I’ve been in florence several times.I love this town!so inspiring!!
A town for artists!!
I could live here with no problems.
I knew a couple of people who moved to Trieste with their families who seem to like it.
Isn't Italy always in a deep political and economic crisis. At least the mafia are no longer running things.
Their politics have always been complicated with multi party system. However, the crisis is starting to affect real lives now with less jobs, longer queues for hospital treatments and generally less money around. When I lived there 20 years ago Italy's economy was in a much better shape. Since euro conversion many prices virtually doubled overnight while the wages stayed the same. So no, Italy has not always been in this mess.
Oh yeah - we have no allusions that we can't just move back to the US should we not like it. That's just money and time, and those are at least tangibles I have some control over and can deal with.
The initial idea to move overseas came before we knew that Italian citizenship was an option: we wanted to move to London. The citizenship recognition was seen as a Godsend and a way to get us to the UK - we all know how that turned out. My point here is that Italy wasn't the end game initially, but has become at least the first stop. I feel a sense of obligation because of this incredible opportunity that just fell out of the damn sky into our laps. The least I can do is to soak it in, contribute to the economy and give back a bit.
If we can't find a place in Italy that works for us, we're not opposed to other spots in Europe. I think we'd definitely be more inclined to go somewhere else on the continent than right back to the US, but the latter will always be in our back pocket. It's all about having options since the future is unknown.
But thank you for the info - ANY insight at this point is helpful, especially any you have on the music scene in a given city. That is by far the hardest thing to assess here and frankly if I could start gigging again that would be great. I have been a hired gun for so long, that I'm confident I could slide into a lot of situations there fairly easily.