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I don't think it was a failed experiment at all. There were some excellent, courteous contributions in there that confirmed the possibility of respectful reasoned dialogue between people with utterly incompatible worldviews and beliefs, and while there were certainly surprises I'd rather not have had about the personal views behind some familiar voices, I really love the fact that in the final master our political differences are lost in the mix and what rings through is the shared appreciation of music-making as a bond across all kinds of divide and things we're able to do with the instruments of wonder at our disposal. The fact that we can find these deep commonalities with people on the other side of almost everything is a huge basis for fundamental optimism about our ultimate capacity for connection across divides.
I also don't think we're fucked. It's our historic privilege to be part of the generation that has the once-in-forever opportunity to fix the accumulated mistakes of all the history and stupidity that's gone before us, and we should feel pride in that responsibility and step the hell up. The tools are already in our hands, great changes for the better are already under way and will accelerate, and Feynman's famous line that "Reality must take place over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled" is an inexorable rule that will consign all the bullshit to history's dustbin. Mind you, I also think that many of the world's problems would be fixed if everyone listened to more German drone music, which gives some sense of what my opinion's worth.
@SlowwFloww, touché!
Wow how naive can you be? I would say dream on
A concise summary of the problem DT! As someone who worked as a translator / editor for news publications for a number of years and who spends an unhealthy amount of time following political and economic developments around the world, the last thing I want to read in a music forum is broad and sensationalist political statements followed by directionless discussions full of naive emotion and acrimony.
Creating music for me is in part a form of escapism from the gloomy state of affairs in the world. When playing an instrument, patching sounds, doing detailed editing in a DAW, I get immersed in the process and hardly think of anything else!
But this post has got me thinking about politics in music, and vice-versa. Famous musicians and pop stars have huge potential to instill / mold political ideas among their listeners through their pronouncements (hardly ever through their music and lyrics - The Clash were a prominent exception). Without doubt, today the products of the corporate pop machine are required to propagate the so-called "values" of the globalist project. But their prime purpose is not to create original music, but to serve as "lifestyle icons". But to state the obvious, even with the Clash. the politics was in the lyrics and in their statements, not in the actual music.
Music has huge potential to bring people together in an "emotional / energetic bond" for want of a better way of putting it, but this bond typically lacks a definable logic or lasting structure and is ephemeral, essentially lasting only as long as the music plays, or is in your head (admittedly, the latter can last a long time). Science cannot explain the subjective emotional responses caused by music. They can analyse forms of delivery (certain combinations of frequencies (scales) and rhythms causing similar emotional responses), and the physical responses (releases of adrenaline, dopamine etc), but not explain the essence of this generation of emotions. It remains mysterious and beyond the physical. As far as I understand, for the most part of human history music and by extension dance have indeed served as a form of escapism, a means of transcending the mundane and everyday chores of survival. I may be wrong, but I have never heard of a philosopher citing music as a key factor behind their thesis of their worldviews.
Back to the main topic: I really enjoy reading posts on this forum where posters simply express their joy in finding, say, a combination of apps with which they have come up with something they're really pleased with, even if they don't post the sonic results. It feels like they're trying to share a moment of discovery, exhilaration, yes even transcendence! And at the same time it may provide great tips for others.
For me to have to see posts titled "we're all fucked" spoils the atmosphere, rather like someone farting in a car. But, I'm a proponent of free speech and appreciate what appears to be a "hands-off" moderation policy on this forum, so instead of removing such posts, I think it's preferable to attempt to persuade the attempting-to-put-the-world-to rights poster to take his concerns elsewhere, as someone constructively did with a link to a philosophy forum. Don't censor, engage as long as is possible / reasonable.
Hmm, I should clearly have used one of those winky smiley internetticon things. (Which isn't to say it's not true.)
Irony or whatever kind of expression you want to give your statement is often quite hard to read
Sometimes even with emojis it's difficult to understand.
Also hard to write.
(I have no idea what I just said.)
This. It’s really easy to destroy and it’s very, very difficult to create.
Haha - good point.
For a solution and fellowship with one another we should look to the kids, they see everything anew, with wonder. Before the age of ‘I think therefore I am’.
Hmm, apparently I missed some drama in the last few days. I don't have much to add regarding politics, but I will say that the only time I've ever changed someone's preconceived notions were by being polite, listening and trying to be empathetic.
As a teenager with a mohawk, I made a habit of holding doors open for people, and particularly loved it when I was able to show my respect for the elderly women who would often stare and clutch their handbags at first, obviously not sure if I was sincere in my gesture.
When it was clear I wasn't going to spit on them or yell obscenities, I would often get a wary smile or thank you, and invariably their expression would at least change from concern to confusion. That was golden for me, because it meant there was an exception to whatever rule they had previously believed about people who looked like me.
When friends would ask about my square/unpunk behavior, I would reply that if punk was about breaking the rules, than being kind was the most punk thing you could do.
This seems to be more true today than ever, and regardless of your political views, I would be surprised if their was a dogma that disapproved of kindness.
Many in fact profess to follow the teachings of a man who's primary message was simply to be kind to one another.
His name was... John Lennon.
Joking obviously, but I do find it ironic that he keeps showing up in this thread as an example of peace, seeing as he admitted he was actually quite a violent and abusive lout for much of his life.
http://shorturl.at/bELT4
Thanks, interesting facts
Especially Pop Stars have a bad reputation when talking about sex and anger
Jerry Lee Lewis Married Myra Gale Brown - His 13-Year-Old Cousin - still believed in Santa Claus
And do you know the name Lori Mattix?
She was 14 when the great David Bowie took her virginity
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie
Turn things to the dark side - My young apprentice
It’s not just politics and religion that get people all fired up.
Try starting a thread titled “you’re favorite app is shit” and see how that goes.
Try having a “you’re favorite band sucks” conversation.
Try discussing the validity of various music genres.
Try discussing what is appropriate for song topics and song lyrics.
Just voice a strong opinion on ANY subject, and be adamant that you are right. Stupid arguments are sure to follow.
Can we at least discuss this?
@CracklePot - I guess not....
As long as we can ALL agree that this shit is draconian and SICK.
https://buckeyestate.news/2019/05/03/police-ohio-man-raped-11-year-old-who-is-now-pregnant/
“Ohio’s new ‘heartbeat bill’ means that the 11-year-old girl will likely be forced to carry the child to birth, regardless of the fact that she was raped.”
I love to hate politics but it is fine line for people's emotions not to become entailed.
As a registered 3rd party person I do not identify with most positions on most things.
@ricksteruk
How about this link?
If not, no biggie.
Just a dumb joke anyway.
No, we can not ALL agree upon that.
I'm not going to get into any further details since politics is not allowed on this forum.
That worked ! What a blast from the past - I’ve almost certainly not heard that since it originally came out and was on radio.
Btw - I knew you were just making a dumb joke - and I was trying to make a dumb joke back by posting the screen shot.
Ahhhhh, shaddap.
The same to you.
The issue is much more complex than your simplistic, knee-jerk reaction to it.
Like I said, I could explain it fully in more detail, but I won't, for obvious reasons.
The rapist wouldn't even have been here if not for people like you.
Discussing abortion is really a more complex thing than a lot of people. I was always quite easy on the topping but if you start to really discuss it it can become difficult. For example till what week do you think abortion should be granted. And of course does a small person in the womb have rights of it's own?
Anyway rape victims is still something different but still how long after rape. Difficult questions.
Anyway we start to get of topic. So let's talk about the things people are visting this forum for: MUSIC!
Donald Trump Jr. has been subpoenaed — by a Republican-controlled Senate committee - Vox
https://apple.news/A6vNkI-SRSSChbB5tpp7p4A
Yes, that is heinous.
Yet they are seemingly befuddled by the gender gap.
It IS simple. That an 11-yr old girl is made to birth a rapist’s baby is SICK. Period, end of sentence.
This isn’t difficult. Any woman, at ANY age, should be able to terminate a pregnancy forced upon them through an act of violence.
I don’t care what side of the aisle you lean towards. In fact, this isn’t even a political issue. It’s a question of right or wrong. This is wrong.
Just curious I can't think of any politician that made a hit record, by you might know. The only thing I remember though is that at a certain time Jello Biafra wanted to go into politics. But what I mean is the other way around. So somebody with a political carreer that went popstar.