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  • @AudioGus said:

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Being old and retired I have time to think about these things. I asked myself, if I died tomorrow what conclusions I would have before I stepped off the planet, shuffled off this mortal coil, took a dirt nap, etc? I will spare you my answers, but I am curious about yours. Especially those younger than myself (which is everyone here!).

    It’s something, IMO, worth thinking about when you are young as well. A bit morbid, but western society buries bringing death into our daily lives. Death is hidden, sanitized, nuanced and religicized. That is a mistake, IMO. But my question is more about life. Thinking about it while it is in full swing. So many find themselves at the end full of regret for a life not fully lived. Looking at your conclusions in mid stride can help to avoid these disappointments, I think. Best not to find yourself looking in the mirror at another Babbit if you can help yourself. Too easy to let it slip by lost in the day to day.

    Why is this subject on a tech forum? Cause this is the greatest forum on the web and I am part of this community. And any conclusions by members and lurkers here would certainly have some musical insight. That’s why.

    I am gonna stay out this.

    Too young looking to be retired!

    Not having kids and always have wanted them with Father's Day near...gets me in a mood so to speak.

    Well you are in it now good buddy.

    Yah, the no kids thing is weird. When I try to have a real conversation with people in the world about what this is all about (re: life / death thing) the young people seem the most interesting and open while the older breeders my age just sound like the fucking Smurfs theme. laah-laa-lah-lalalahlahlalah-lah-laaaaah...!

    yup

  • @AudioGus said:
    The highlight of the appendix removal was indeed the morphine. The mango coloured ‘get well’ bear was a close second.

    l a w d.

  • It's probably a simulation, which is our reality regardless, but often wonder if there is a point other than to just exist and see what happens

  • @AudioGus said:

    @robosardine said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Conclusion: there is only this present moment. What is a memory, but a memory of a memory of a memory? Seventy years of memories for me. All to be forgotten. It is the making of the memories that counted, once upon a time, and now that time is gone.

    But you are still making new memories are you not? Just because you are no longer impressing the chicks by riding about on a Harley Davidson with a mouth full of gum and a couple of cows horns sticking out your helmet doesn’t mean you can’t make new memories 😃

    I remember pneumonia, shingles and my burst appendix, ahhh what glories to come? ;)

    I have yet to experience shingles but the other 2 were interesting. They say Pneumonia is a gentle way to perish but I don't see how. It was the most horrendous I've ever felt in my life.

    My conclusion is that I'm living in a time where I have tools available to me that 20th century composers could only dream about (most of their predictions were 100% accurate.)

    I have endless and instant sources of inspiration to tap into. If I feel like learning something, there is no barrier stopping me. My final conclusion will be that I spent too much time comparing myself to other people.

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    @BroCoast said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @robosardine said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Conclusion: there is only this present moment. What is a memory, but a memory of a memory of a memory? Seventy years of memories for me. All to be forgotten. It is the making of the memories that counted, once upon a time, and now that time is gone.

    But you are still making new memories are you not? Just because you are no longer impressing the chicks by riding about on a Harley Davidson with a mouth full of gum and a couple of cows horns sticking out your helmet doesn’t mean you can’t make new memories 😃

    I remember pneumonia, shingles and my burst appendix, ahhh what glories to come? ;)

    I have yet to experience shingles but the other 2 were interesting. They say Pneumonia is a gentle way to perish but I don't see how. It was the most horrendous I've ever felt in my life.

    My conclusion is that I'm living in a time where I have tools available to me that 20th century composers could only dream about (most of their predictions were 100% accurate.)

    I have endless and instant sources of inspiration to tap into. If I feel like learning something, there is no barrier stopping me. My final conclusion will be that I spent too much time comparing myself to other people.

    I beat myself up for not having dreams and aspirations ‘in the real world’.

    As for comparing to other people, I stopped that years ago after getting to know and talking to those other people. I in no way wanted their life after.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @robosardine, sure I am making new memories, but they are just a byproduct, and at this age I don't expect to carry them around very long.

    Btw, I have not come to the conclusion that God or an afterlife exists. I suspect something more is going on, but I definitely would prefer death to be like the anaesthesia I had before surgery Last October... gone, gone, gone. Nothing, zilch, shnee , nada, netchevo, zippo.

    I have come to that conclusion as well- and I feel quite certain about it👍

  • Conclusion: expectations of how others or life should be leads to disappointment.

    Conclusion: life is not about the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is fleeting and brings with it its opposite... unhappiness. Aim for acceptance and contentment with the present. This does not rule out passionate acts of selflessness.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    Conclusion: expectations of how others or life should be leads to disappointment.

    Conclusion: life is not about the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is fleeting and brings with it its opposite... unhappiness. Aim for acceptance and contentment with the present. This does not rule out passionate acts of selflessness.

    I was always told not to get hung up on what you have no control over, and focus instead on what you do.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Conclusion: expectations of how others or life should be leads to disappointment.

    Conclusion: life is not about the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is fleeting and brings with it its opposite... unhappiness. Aim for acceptance and contentment with the present. This does not rule out passionate acts of selflessness.

    I was always told not to get hung up on what you have no control over, and focus instead on what you do.

    True dat. Had a hard time sleeping the other night. I was tossing and turning and stressed out. I asked myself what the problem was and I came to the conclusion that I was angsty because I was tired and thought the next day would be a write off. i asked myself what I needed to remedy this problem and realized it was all right there... cozy bed and time to sleep... zzzz... i’m an idiot and fell asleep almost instantly.

  • Conclusions? I'm still working on selecting the important questions to think about.
    Why make art when most people are seeking sex?

  • Be useful.
    Be creative.
    Make memories.

  • Gosh @LinearLineman ....I think I am slightly older than even you😀 but you have made me really depressed now!
    I don’t think I have ever even thought about dying and what conclusions I should make in hindsight.
    Perhaps I should but I am too busy enjoying life now and making even more memories .
    IMO why look back to chastise yourself or worry about how things could have been better. It is too late anyway to change things so why beat yourself up. I think the important thing is to enjoy the present and what you do now as you could be run over and be killed by a car tomorrow.
    I know you asked for conclusions from the youngsters but I think I still am one!!!!
    I love your OT topics - they actually make me think more deeply than usual in my daily life.

  • @Jomodu said:
    Gosh @LinearLineman ... you have made me really depressed now!

    Exactly.

    Stay engaged and curious. Life is good. Death bad. And never "immanentize the eschaton". Really bad shit happens.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton

  • edited June 2019

    @Jomodu, I think you misunderstood my true intent. It is for living that these conclusions are useful. If you read my own conclusions posted here you will see they are about living. In fact, I was surprised that other posters started talking about regret! It is a question about what we discern about how life is. Perhaps I should have said understandings or insights. I will change that!

    Hmmm. I see I did bring up death, but I only meant it as a point of relativity to think about one’s life. I think I have drawn conclusions ( insights) about life all along the way. But they were for the most part immature. Reality seems more profound these days. Anyway, certainly didn’t mean to depress anyone!

  • @McD said:
    Conclusions? I'm still working on selecting the important questions to think about.
    Why make art when most people are seeking sex?

    Ahh, but for some of us sex is indeed the highest form of art.

    Yeah, right. :D

  • @LinearLineman ... yes fair comment. For me, looking back tends to concentrate on things I could have done better ( as well as all the memories) . I like to think we all try somehow to learn from our mistakes.
    But things change so quickly. Many of the bad things I remember from the past are acceptable now. The only tangible thing I can list is Identifying opportunities better be it women, jobs or caring more about the world around me.
    So, as you conclude make the most of now and what you have and enjoy doing what makes you and others happy.
    We oldies have the best of both worlds as we have had a lifetime of learning from our mistakes to draw on in order to have, perhaps, a more balanced approach to life. But don,t look back too much.

  • We are on the same page @Jomodu. Keep on truckin’ (ouch, I am old!).

  • I am in no way religious. Actually, I believe religions brought more misery than happiness to mankind, especially monotheistic ones. However, In good or bad times and everything in between, I try my best to remind myself of the three marks of Existence taught in Buddhism: anicca (impermanence), dukkha (suffering), anatta (non-self). This helps me to cope with my own existence and its endless waves.

    Concerning any type of social interactions, I came to the conclusion that the Golden Rule is a really useful rule of thumb. When finding myself caught in any kind of argument, should I be one of the parties or simply being in the middle, I try to remember that each story has more than one side.

    Physicists are searching for the Single Law that rules the entire universe. I believe there is one, but I also believe that no matter how close we will get to it, we will never be able to fully grasp it. New Chimera will always stand in our way. This always reminds me that knowing few things doesn't mean knowing everything.

    I always found pedantic people using quotes during conversation, but quotes can serve a real purpose in daily life as long as you keep them for yourself as little reminders. Lately, this quote from Yamamoto Tsunetomo has been really helpful for me in general and specially on my iOS musician's journey :
    "There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. By doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you will still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to all things. "

    The times we used to hunt our preys for survival is far gone. We reached a high level of understanding of our own nutritional needs. There are better ways to eat. Fruits, vegetables, cereals, grains, beans, nuts and proper complements. It is not only healthier but it is a necessary step humanity has to take to sustain. The meat industry is one of the worst industry in terms of carbon footprint. Not to mention it is one of the most unnatural and cruel. The transition to a no meat diet is a very rewarding path, starting from blood test results!

    "Bois, chante et ris... tu ne vis qu'une fois..."

  • edited June 2019

    "There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. By doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you will still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to all things. "

    Right, @JanKun. A lot of pain comes from paying twice... I have this terrible pain! Ok, but then... why do I have this terrible pain?! Why me?! What will happen from this pain?! Once soaked but twice wet.

    Golden Rule for Christians: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
    Golden Rule for Jews: Do not unto others as you not have them do unto you. The Jews have come to some conclusions over the centuries.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    "There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. By doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you will still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to all things. "

    Right, @JanKun. A lot of pain comes from paying twice... I have this terrible pain! Ok, but then... why do I have this terrible pain?! Why me?! What will happen from this pain?! Once soaked but twice wet.

    Golden Rule for Christians: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
    Golden Rule for Jews: Do not unto others as you not have them do unto you. The Jews have come to some conclusions over the centuries.

    One of my biggest regret is to have been baptized against my will when I was a baby. Good thing is I have been told that on that day, I broke many of the church's candles out of rage !

    I believe the Jews stole it from Confucius. Now that is political, no 😉?!

  • @AudioGus said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Sorry... but "dirt nap" gave me a nice Saturday morning chuckle. Thanks :)

    A nice sanitized way of saying ‘eez fucking snuffed it’! ;)

    you, a doctor: handing me my new born baby I’m sorry but your wife didn’t make it

    me, an intellectual: handing baby back bring me the one my wife made

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