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So Far BandCamp Is Great!
Just reporting my experience. Superior to SoundCloud re stats.... Much more precise as to who listened to the complete track (90% of track listened to) , who partial (more than 10%) and skips (less than 10% listening of track)
Ease of loading: terrific. I use FLAC files (m4a not uploadable) and the quality is good and the upload fast. My first three albums were uploaded as single tracks, but now I will upload individual tracks as it is super easy to do. Curious if it will affect the stats. If so I will redo my first three to individual tracks.
Cost... amazingly, free, tho there is a pro program which affords posting a domain and other features (approx $10 a month) which I do not need at this point.
Search: I listed myself as Michael A Levy cause, sure enough, at least two other MLs... one a reenactor of biblical instruments, the other a funker in California. My name came up immediately.
Hits: 150 in several days. It shows also how many come from the site and how many from embeds ( can someone explain embedding, please?)
The BandCamp philosophy seems very benign and supportable from what I have read and seen.
Conclusion: 100% satisfied with this remarkable, free, service. Highly recommended!
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As a service BandCamp is great, only issue I have is it's difficult to get anyone to listen to stuff on there, compared with say Soundcloud. On SC I get maybe 100+ hits per track per month, on BC I get about 5. As for sales...they're virtually non-existent, and when you do get them, when you factor in PayPal charges they take a big cunk out of your sale.
I'd like to see more of a community thing on there, it's all a bit cliquey at the moment.
But yeah, for hosting and uploading your stuff it works well.
@MonzoPro. I get about 1000 hits a month on SC for all my tracks (100+) Of course the stats don’t show skips as BC does. At the rate it is going I think BC will equal SC. Does it mean anything? No. Any money expected? No, all free downloads. Do I care? No. Is it fun? Yes!
“ a big Cunk! “ thanks jeremy!
artists or labels that cough up for the pro features ( stands to reason businesswise ).
i always thought you were quite positive about bandcamp mr mcMonz .. it's not been too bad for me, i think the main problem with it is that their genre tags only display so many pages ( 20? ) so after something has been there a while it drops off the visibility spectrum for normal searches..
and of course the amount of ‘nothingnesses’ being posted don’t help this,, i’ve asked about more pages but they say there is nothing they can do at the mo..
you have to rely on yr own tagging as artist , album and tracks.. that way Google and other searches will bring up yr stuff.. use as many as possible, some obscure ( to single you out ) some v. trendy genre tags ( to catch the wave ) and some of yr own artist names, similar ( but famous ) artists etc..
and persuade people ( if possible ) to embed you elsewhere..
also their own front page promo stuff is heavily biased towards A) americans ( it being an american company) and
I’m going to put some more thought into how to mess with their system and play some surreal games that may draw attention or may backfire hideously!! soon...
@MonzoPro @RockySmalls , when I registered I listed Jazz as my genre. However, I am releasing non jazz albums as well. Any way of dealing with that that you can think of? Thanks.
yes,, you can add another 9 or 10 genres in yr artist profile... then add some more tags on an album page when you upload it ( 20 i think? ). check you haven’t duplicated tags in artist profile and release tags ( its a waste ) then i think you can put some more tags on each seperate track ( especially if you have seperate track purchase enabled ) .. so a lot of room to ‘cover the bases’ ... but a little bit of work thinking up or researching what might be ‘useful’ labels to apply..
As a listener I would be happy to subscribe to Bandcamp in the same way I am to iTunes Music but I’m not in social media and there seems to be no way to let the people at bandcamp know about it.
Besides being ok with “renting” music this way I simply won’t use PayPal at all.
So a subscription model would be a good way for me to use the platform more, hoping for a fair share of revenues for you creators.
I've had a good experience with Bandcamp. We (my bands) have always tried to share it preferentially because it gives a much larger percentage versus Amazon, iTunes etc. But I think sales there are pretty limited to people we directly have had contact with. Like I'll see sales at or shortly after a gig, or after I post something on social media. Amazon, iTunes, we have more random afaik sales.
Sorry, I went all Philomena there!
I like it as a thing - creating a band page, adding albums, tracks, artwork etc. is all good for the soul - it provides a focus for doing this stuff, and the impression that it's 'out there' instead of languishing in a folder on my hard drive marked 'donkey'. But the number of plays is disappointing. I put a new 'band' up a few weeks ago (I have soooo much of this stuff...) and it hasn't had a single play. Unless I post links on here, Twitter etc. they just sink into the pudding.
You've just enlightened me with the tagging though - I thought there was a limit of four tags for each track - just tested it and it seemed happy with up to ten - and I'd never thought about using another artist as a tag. I thought that would be a bit naughty, but I'm sure they'll cope.
So, time for some cunking tagging then! I've just meticulously tagged the albums in one of my 'band' accounts, so will check the stats in a few days and see if it's helped.
I hope you're not goping to try siphoning off some of Shit and Pissed's global fanbase!
“Cunking Tag”
sounds like a game played with a shitty ended stick to moi!
Ah, ok. Sorry. I'll take that tag off then....
Very popular in Basildon in the 70's!
do any of you wish it was called something else other than band camp?
probably! it’s a bit “american pie” after all... but, y’know, i can live with it, almost impossible to change a band name once it’s become popular..
but yes, it could have been a ‘cooler’ sounding name and that may have been better for PR and drawing in the generally disinterested public..
‘ bandcamp ‘ is definitely hokey and makes me thjnk of the phrase “ as camp as a row of tents “ but maybe that’s a good thing ??
Had not see that movie. Did not get the reference. Was not 100% safe for work lol.
I refuse to listen to anything on SC because the player is often broken, (mobile, desktop, doesn't matter) and I'm also fundamentally opposed to websites that make you register and login before you can even browse content. Then there's all that pay to play nonsense which I'm not against per se, however you can see from their homepage that the most obnoxious and juvenile noise is what gets all the plays and promotion and then you've got all those people uploading 10 second clips... It's unwanted and unneeded stress in my life so I had to bail.
Bandcamp is fundamentally flawed in that you need to register as an artist and a fan. The login registration is overly complicated in today's fast moving culture. They need to work on the social networking aspect a lot more. But I've been on Bandcamp almost since the beginning and it's never failed me. I've put up more than 20 albums over the years and computers and flash drives have come and gone, but my music endured there and I'm grateful for that.
The only other alternative to Bandcamp as far as I'm concerned is Apple Music and because Bandcamp offers pricing options and free hosting (without the need for distributors) a LOT of noteworthy artists and labels use it. Bandcamp is very underrated. The sooner people switch from SC to Bandcamp the better IMO.
I don't have any problems using the desktop website version of Soundcloud, and don't need to register. The only issue I have with it really is I've had tens of thousands of plays but nothing to show for it. So I tend to use it as free file hosting for my own website - and embed their player in my pages.
What I do like about Soundcloud is the social side of it - though that's decreased since they removed groups - but I enjoy whacky comments on my tracks, and following the whacky noise makers that post them. I've discovered some right old madness on there I would otherwise not have known about.
On Bandcamp my social interaction is zero.
YouTube, SoundCloud and BandCamp generate code to "embed" in web pages like the Forum here and the video or music
at those sites will play without forcing the embed "clicker" to leave the page they are on.
The embed plays in your stats are all from these Forum pages announcing your Albums when you paste the embed text to
use their player code on that page.
We can click on the embedded BandCamp player here and it just starts playing.
You do need to load individual tracks for sure. I'm still Googling for a "Safe Sax Filter" plug-in.
I found one on the desktop for $999 on sale. I thought about it, too. "Bad sax" doesn't work for me. It's Sado-Sax-o-chism. Did you know Adolphe Sax was french? Kinky instrument if you ask me. In the hands of a master... great sex. But given to a DAW to
abuse: illegal in some parts of the world.
So, those 90% listens started and tried to play the whole album but their battery ran out while out walking. That was my situation.
it’s a bizzaro opposite world this! whenever some weirdo buys something of mine on BrandCramp and has a collection, you see their avatar and can peruse the other shizz they have copped.. sometimes that’s distressing ( ie: obviously no musical clue or taste , oops! very subjective there, but they have also bought me?? am i that awful that i belong in their collection? ) BUT 6 times out of 10 they have found interesting stuff on bandcamp themselves and i have discovered excellent weirdness just because they have shelled out for mine own.. so i owe them doubly.. and it helps offset the deeply flawed genre search on there..
@LucidMusicInc I agree its wonked somewhat...... but you don’t have to register as a fan as far as i can see..( i’m not ) . though there are benefits to that ( see above for inst. ) and you can use that to yr advantage by free coding yrself all yr releases and purchasing (or get pay what you will ) other interesting stuff that will make connections to yrs..
the heavy registration is because of the money transactions.. so it makes sense for them to cover themselves.. if you have paypal already it is a breeze really...
i’ve only ever had anything to do with soundcloud when ios was young and a lot of apps (inc. korg) only had itunes or soundcloud upload to get rendered files out... remember that? glad that’s all fallen by the wayside..
p.s. Lieutenant Lucid “fast moving culture” ?
are you refering to the “race to the bottom” ?
. Did you know Adolphe Sax was french?
Well technically speaking he was Dutch until 1830 (1939 if you ask the Dutch😜), and Belgian when he patented the saxophone 🧐 though he did speak french.
Band Camp has a utility for generating digital download cards, and it’s free. There is even a utility for generating a PDF with the individual download codes on little cards with your album artwork, all you have to do is print it and cut em out. We put them in a vinyl record, but you could just sell them at performances too, keep in your wallet and hand them out when people ask about your music.
There’s a limit how many, but it is high, several hundred at least? After that it is cheap. We looked at other services that did the digital downloads but Band Camp was the cheapest and the easiest to use. Really cool high res options for the download, 24 bit WAV, FLAC, different bitrate MP3s. Really an amazing resource for bands. No, it won’t make you famous, but neither does being in the phone book.
@Processaurus. Phone Book? 😳
I guess that’s the problem - I don’t sell enough and attract all the weird followers! I get some very strange followers on Soundcloud mind, even stranger than me...
Cunk it, I might just make everything free - art is not eternal folks!
Yeah, sounds stupid like “Camp Rock” that stupid movie.
Sometimes I write something and this little voice says "Fact Check it first." I have learned that the forum will do it and it
keeps the thread on the front page longer than a well placed "fact". I like "fake facts" to pull intelligent readers into the mix.
This was one of my favorite fact checks. I can see why the Dutch booted him out and now I wonder why Belgian don't speak Belgish.
Just the fact that Sax spoke French makes my point. @LinearLineman needs to upload individual tracks. Patently obvious to the casual reader.
The fact that BandCamp accepts folks like me (I put something up there as a test) and @LinearLineman does however prove it's not so great. No filter.
never liked filter cigarettes...
they have some pretty good stuff up, the following one is my favourite DAW benchmark (because the raw material was produced on a Tascam 8 track cassette with some analog Synths and drumboxes)
https://elsewhere.bandcamp.com/album/mrs-oscillator-her-pocket-calculator-limited-vinyl
Another cassette 8 track (which I couldn't believe when I first heard it)
https://stereohands.bandcamp.com/album/darkest-days
I like the site
My pleasure and thanks 😊
Back to the front page 😋
Just an update as compared to SoundCloud...about the same... 265 hits in six days... tho these (as on SC) represent partial plays as well. So far I am good with it, but I have no delusions of grandeur so any response is good, even tho it’s mostly @McD listening over and over after falling asleep with his headphones on,
This forum also provides a way to connect with and channel an audience. Members like @thesoundtestroom, @flo26 (I listened to his complete album yesterday and spotted a few lines of french I could translate), @echoopera, @ScottVanZandt and more built a following here. So, many opportunities to hear music created using the tools discussed here.
SoundCloud periodically inserts grocery store commercials in between playbacks of my tracks and playlists…