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@horsetrainer, you, sir, said a mouthful! And totally non specific! I am afraid moral relativism is more popular these days than ethics. But investigating and identifying universals is challenging and worthwhile. I, for one, would like to see a more universal acceptance of end of life choice. The societal taboo of suicide causes a lot of pain, and is based on what? That a person’s life somehow belongs to the state (secular or religious) and not to the individual? That you must be crazy to want to get the hell out of here? That annoys me no end. I do appreciate what the Brits did, however, till what, the end of the18th century? If you committed suicide your body was dragged naked by horse cart thru the streets and all your possessions seized. Very practical to dissuade those who tried to escape their fiscal obligations and protect their families. One of the reasons I stay debt free!
@d4d0ug, I believe this is not a political topic. Lately ethics was mentioned. Is that political? I mention no organizations or public figures as have most posters. I think there is a relevance with how musicians make career choices in the face of societal and parental authorities. And, would you ban any discussion of Apple’s policies? Surely they are an indisputable authority whose decisions infuriate the iOS community. Perhaps @Michael should just eliminate off-topic? Why did our philosopher king do that, anyway? Off-topic! Why the very sound of it is seditious. This forum is only about iOS and mobile. Right?
In addition to my response, to answer the question in the title...what is it good for?
I say, it is good for bringing a clear definition of how something should be, how it should operate, how it should behave how it is intended to exist.
For example, if you consider yourself an authority on the bible... You can represent it, stand behind it, portray it accurately..... But that doesn't mean you can to think everyone who has a different opinion than you is wrong and force your beliefs on them... It means you can be a go to source for those interested in understanding more about that thing
For me to pursue making a living with music feels like it would require me to be beholden to authority more-so than I am now with it. Right now I am totally free creatively to pursue it my own way. I have always been encouraged to ‘take it further’ but I have a visual/graphics career and that world is all about rules and authority one way or another. Be it the authority of individuals who hire me or simply the communal authority of popular taste and trends etc. It just feels like pursuing music would wind up being the same way and I have no interesting in contaminating my music too.
I thought it was an interesting topic, but as usual the line gets crossed. It's not hard to define what political discussion is.
Well, it seems that one meaning of “authority” is “expert”.... How did it become “Authority” with a capital “A”?
Authority does seem to convey responsibility. So.. an expert who has responsibility? Sounds good so far. Not political.... could be a farmer, no? Or a chicken raiser. What is that good for? Mixed salad with grilled chicken that doesn’t make you puke! So where did it all go wrong? If it did.
I’ve always had issues with authority. Teachers, parents, bosses. I’d generally get away with it being classed as a maverick or a class clown, intelligent but not fulfilling potential.
I don’t think however, that it is because of pathogenic allergy to obedience. I feel it likely is because of the way of seeing the world. Questioning stuff as opposed to just accepting things.
Being a ‘rebel’ in the west today can hardly ever cause problems therefore couldn’t be classed as stupidity. I’m not sure what challenging authority would look/feel like living under occupation or dictatorship where having opposing opinion might mean months in a cell or a bullet in the head.
Of course life companions are the most likely boundary restrictors. Who could blame them. Who could blame us.
I think like most things that go wrong, pride is a big factor.
All of a sudden, when you're good at something, or better than others, people tend to let it go to their head and build up an ego that makes them think they are now superior and should be the center of attention.. Now they make the rules, they decide if you're doing it right or wrong...
The lack of humility and desire to see otherss succeed often leads to a god complex, their sh*t doesn't stink...
It's quite sad and creates more divide than unity
Very true.
.> @LinearLineman said:
Responsibility. That's the point that makes the difference between an "Authority" that takes decisions and actions over people either just for their own or also for other people's well-being. And I'd like to add "good intent" in the sense of taking care of people in order to achieve something better for all involved.
Expert? Hopefully an expert in experiences, yes, and not just an expert in self-promotion.
Not all people are born leaders (and that's another color of authority IMHO), you'll quickly find out when you put together a randomly chosen group of people and give the group a challenge to solve. A totally natural thing. The mother of a family, no matter if human or animal, is a good example.
Authority in music. The Eagles. Glenn Frey must be leader. Led to court case with Don Felder, over rights to Hotel California. Felder won. But Felder not in band anymore. Therefore pointless authority weakened Eagles.
Authority is delegated power and it should be used only in life conserving situations. Since is drived by anger it keeps life safe at high cost (poisoning substances to enhance senses and improving attack skills) so just a compromise solution expecting recovering that extra effort later at kidneys health cost
Said that and related to your social context (and your age) I feel you are the one (there are a lot of them over the world) being that kind of person which could teach a lot others but are placed in hard context to make them learn by the process too. What you described is labeled as "Cultural Body Pain" by Eckhart Tolle so I recommend grab The Power of Now and take a look about that and also authority (he makes a whole chapter on that if I remember well)
I'm not saying is Gospel truth but helpful to get some comprehension, probably.
There are also videos on youtube if you prefer that media.
I hope this knowledge becomes your wisdom.
pd: also check the difference between autorithy and will since I think maybe you have more will than the regular people in your context so they see you as an autorithy...
Good post @TheDubbyLabby. Your recommendation of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle and the Pain Body he describes is very pertinent. The great thing about Eckhart is that he uses a modern vocabulary to describe immemorial human problems. That is a big reason for his popularity as opposed to someone like Krishnamurti. They are all saying the same stuff.
Since we are talking about spiritual teachers.... my depiction of most of the population's working conditions as modern slavery seems a bit harsh in retrospect. Firstly, there is still a lot of actual slavery going on. More importantly, this has been the human condition since the beginning of organized warfare (conquered enemy) and the development of agriculture (mass labor required for cultivation and harvesting). Child labor, sweat shops, sex workers, all different names for the same thing. But the "householder"'as Gurdjieff and other teachers talk about the ordinary family man/woman, is high on the list of those who can break the spiritual chains that hold them.
Freedom was handed to me. I can value it, but I never paid for it like so many have. Even my mental and spiritual growth has been more of an exercise than an evolution. In this context so many more of those "householders", or "modern slaves" as I glibly described them, have done more than I have toward winning their personal freedom.
Also to most of us here, I think. Question now is can we hold on to freedom?
How do you know someone in authority actually is?
What if you thought they were in authority, everybody else thought they were in authority, but it turns out they’re not?
What if they had no authority but were assumed to have authority by everyone else?
What if they pretended to have authority?
What if they are not who they say they are but are imitating an authority and you can’t tell the difference?
What if you test their authority and get away with it?
What if you do that a lot?
What if only you do that a lot and everybody else carries on thinking the authority can’t be contested?
Totally agreed. Krishnamurtti also talked from the enlightment like nobody but him could get it (due its context between two World wars over the worst moment in recent humanity) meanwhile Tolle bring anyone a map to make their own journey.
Just keep living and do your best. What else we can do?
This topic comes a bit close to the songs I’m currently writing the lyrics for, for my next album (here’s a preview rough of the cover)
Nice I will love to listen it!
@u0421793 > @u0421793 said:
Tell that to the cops!
Still,I like how you put it. Very freewheeling.
Today I finally finished writing the lyrics for all ten tracks! Hooray, at last.
Quickly did a test singing of the final track, within minutes of it just finished being written. Quite satisfactory I think. I thought I could slap all the lyrics down in a few weeks, but no, it’s taken many months. I kept going back over the stuff and making it better so that it doesn’t irritate each time someone listens to it in the future. Bloody nuisance. Okay, now I have to replace the test vocals with real vocals (ie, use a dynamic mic instead of the Shure MV5 plugged into the iPad into Auria). Now I’m listening through them all over the Arcam amp with decent 2.1 speaker system and deciding (supposed to be, not writing this) which tracks order to replace the vocals in later this evening and into tomorrow. Nobody’s home, so now’s the time to sing. Very pleased with progress thus far.
Enjoy!
All of your queries on authority and government answered
Mark Passio on Auhtority
Mark Passio website Whatonearthishappening.com
https://www.whatonearthishappening.com/
Mark Passio YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/WhatOnEarth93
@LinearLineman I make music to escape it all.
@stormbeats, I am guessing you have done more than that to tame those demons of authority, but music is a universal panacea. Something we all share.
My contribution is a stilted Jazz freeform. Starts off slow and builds up to a splurge of works. Female vocalist. Ending with a tuneful last line.
Wealth Protection,
Rejection. Sugar and Tobacco,
Free! Lobbying groups,
Take control. Personal, Responsibility.
Debt relief. Abundance. Comic relief, payday loans.
Umami, tsunami, healthcare for all. Its a comin, Ready for a fall?
Insurance, protection, build a wall.
Transparency, see-through #metoo, online porn, perfect storm.
Plastic, disposable straw. See-saw, jackdaw and Libraries disapearing. Religiously scientific. Educations on the same page. Opinion dominion, freedom of speech. Legal quagmire, to inspire a law degree. Competitive markets and monopoly.
Theeeeeeen therrrrrrrrrre’s subsidizzzzzzzz
@LinearLineman We all live in a yellow submarine.